[Dragoon44]

Sounded to me like they just wanted it out of her hands, understandably.

and getting it out of her hands was a good idea. Leaving it unsecured and basically ignored was a bad idea.

once they took the firearm from the guy they then became responsible for it.

 

[The Night Rider]

I believe the officer was released as a result of the incident.

Fired?

 

[kiser64]

Yes

 

[The Night Rider]

I can’t even fathom how that could possibly happen.

 

[The Night Rider]

Hope she enjoys the unemployment line!

She'll have a position as an in-house Security Supervisor within 90 days.

If they had told me what they wanted to do I would have declined.

And they would have beaten you to a pulp while screaming "Stop resisting!!!!"

Disarming a non-threat has ONLY risks and ZERO benefit. Nothing good can come from it... and more likely, bad things can (and did) happen.

To be fair, this incident was probably an extreme outlier. Cops all over America disarm people everyday (not that I think it's right) without shooting them

 

[Will-21]

Hey Coppers stop trying to disarm compliant and respectful Citizens! Dummies!

 

[HanKill]

I've been stopped a handful of times while carrying. 1st rule: don't mention it if not asked. But I've been asked and a few times, and I've gotten the don't touch and we're cool. But I've been asked to place the firearm on the dash, hands out the window most of the time. The officer grabs it, clears it, and goes from there. Puts it in the trunk, hands it back, throws it in the back window. I got it handed back in a brown bag (revolver and loose rounds). **** they handed over my Khar k9 to my girlfriend when I had to take a ride...
But the sheer amount of embarrassment and anxiety she must have gone through at that moment 😬, I feel for her. Still deserves to be fired IMO.

 

[The Night Rider]

This is already been posted but this is the press conference that Mr. Arington gave

 

[sas-G19]

Not to disregard responsibility, but it does provide another example of what many on GT have said now and in the past. . . Not every police officer is a Gun Person.

 

[pgithens]

I was stopped in the fall for going to fast. (Missed the change in speed limit on a rural road.) In PA we have a CCW permit. I simply handed it to the officer with my license. He ran the normal checks, gave me a warning, returned my license and permit, and sent me on my way. No firearm drama needed.

 

[warbow150]

Not to disregard responsibility, but it does provide another example of what many on GT have said now and in the past. . . Not every police officer is a Gun Person.

That’s true, not every officer is a gun person. Nor do they need to be. However, gun person or not, I guarantee she was taught basic firearms safety at her academy at a minimum. This incident happened because she disregarded that training and acted the fool. She gave cops all across the country a good kick in the balls and turned her agency into a cash piñata because she acted stupidly, not because she didn’t know better.

 

[Julius Seizure]

I don’t love the race card but it deserves to be played here. I would bet if it was a white dude in a suit driving a BMW the stop would’ve gone differently.
I’m also aware of pre mitigating circumstances around profiling. It’s a contentious topic and debatable, I’ve also never been on the other side of the badge.

The lawyer mentioned “civil rights” and I can’t say that I disagree with her. The guy was a law abiding citizen and 100% compliant. I’m sure it’ll make for an interesting case study. I feel genuinely bad for the guy.

 

[warbow150]

I’m sure it’ll make for an interesting case study. I feel genuinely bad for the guy.

I’m guessing this will be disposed of as quickly as the defense can make it happen and will not result in any major judicial decisions.

 

[Julius Seizure]

I’m guessing this will be disposed of as quickly as the defense can make it happen and will not result in any major judicial decisions.

I was thinking more from an academic perspective than a departmental perspective.

I hope some lessons are learned regardless…

 

[warbow150]

I hope some lessons are learned regardless…

I get where you’re coming from, and I’m not trying to be difficult, but the lessons in this incident are well known, long established, and trained with great frequency in LE all around the country. The four rules and general safe handling of firearms is day one stuff.

Now, the lesson of “don’t be a jackass and do stupid s#it” is also well established, but I’m not sure we’ll ever find a way to eliminate that behavior in its entirety.

Pay the man and use this as an example of consequences of ignoring training.

 

[Julius Seizure]

I get where you’re coming from, and I’m not trying to be difficult, but the lessons in this incident are well known, long established, and trained with great frequency in LE all around the country. The four rules and general safe handling of firearms is day one stuff.

Now, the lesson of “don’t be a jackass and do stupid s#it” is also well established, but I’m not sure we’ll ever find a way to eliminate that behavior in its entirety.

Pay the man and use this as an example of consequences of ignoring training.

Couldn’t agree more, well stated

 

[1cm]

For their safety and his... they shot him with his own firearm. Absolutely genius.

And here's the cause.

What's that pesky first rule of firearm safety again?

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Even after discharge, she still has finger on trigger. Lead officer telling her to put it on ground was thinking about his own safety!

 

[Sit means Sit]

I get where you’re coming from, and I’m not trying to be difficult, but the lessons in this incident are well known, long established, and trained with great frequency in LE all around the country. The four rules and general safe handling of firearms is day one stuff.

Now, the lesson of “don’t be a jackass and do stupid s#it” is also well established, but I’m not sure we’ll ever find a way to eliminate that behavior in its entirety.

Pay the man and use this as an example of consequences of ignoring training.

How on earth were you ever command staff, much less a chief? You use logic, common sense, and possess all the qualities that SPI and the FBINA try to drum out of people.

It had to be a sad day for your troops when you retired.

 

[Brandon Breeze]

Even after discharge, she still has finger on trigger. Lead officer telling her to put it on ground was thinking about his own safety!

That's those DEI hires!

 

[warbow150]

How on earth were you ever command staff, much less a chief? You use logic, common sense, and possess all the qualities that SPI and the FBINA try to drum out of people.

It had to be a sad day for your troops when you retired.

Well damn. Many thanks.

Smaller department, relatively supportive city council, taught by better cops who preceded me.