[Gavinha3456]

In my opinion, your rifle needs to go to AoA so they can take care of this. I believe from what I can see, the magwell is wide enough. I think it’s the length of the magwell. But I’m only going off of what I can see.

I just measured my older Sam7’s mag well. The Wbp is about 10-12 mm shorter. That’s what the problem is. Magwell’s length is off by a hair.

 

[cciman]

Is this your first AK? Are you pushing the mag straight in?
I looks from the pictures that the front lip catch is not in the magwell.

The AK mag does not insert straight in like a pistol or AR. You can't push it straight in. It swings into position. First seat the front lip inside the magwell, then swing the rear into the mag catch.
The curved mag almost points forward when you start the action.

Best to watch some vids on AK reloads.

 

[cciman]

Is this your first AK? Are you pushing the mag straight in?
I looks from the pictures that the front lip catch is not in the magwell.

The AK mag does not insert straight in like a pistol or AR. You can't push it straight in. It swings into position. First seat the front lip inside the magwell, then swing the rear into the mag catch.
The curved mag almost points forward when you start the action.

Best to watch some vids on AK reloads.

Nevermind what I said, I see the pictures better now on computer rather than on my phone.

 

[Papa glock]

I just measured my older Sam7’s mag well. The Wbp is about 10-12 mm shorter. That’s what the problem is. Magwell’s length is off by a hair.

That’s what I was saying that I believe it’s the length. Too short as far as what I could see, the width looked wide enough. AoA will take care of you.

 

[Gavinha3456]

That’s what I was saying that I believe it’s the length. Too short as far as what I could see, the width looked wide enough. AoA will take care of you.

Thanks man

 

[Papa glock]

@Gavinha3456 any word from AoA?

 

[Gavinha3456]

@Gavinha3456 any word from AoA?

Yes, since then though I’ve managed to fit the mags into my jack. I filed them down a little and they work decent now.

 

[Gavinha3456]

@Gavinha3456 any word from AoA?

Waiting for my Romanian mags to get here and see where to go then. If they fit I might just call it good🤷🏻

 

[Papa glock]

Where did you file to get them to fit? Picture? I’m curious.

 

[Gavinha3456]

Where did you file to get them to fit? Picture? I’m curious.

I filed the sides near the feed lips

 

[cciman]

Yes, since then though I’ve managed to fit the mags into my jack. I filed them down a little and they work decent now.

So the magwell size is not the problem, still the variance in mags.

 

[Gavinha3456]

So the magwell size is not the problem, still the variance in mags.

Seems to be the problem

 

[cciman]

Try other mags. There was a time I had to write the AK name, or use a color dot matching code, on each mag so that I could tell which mag fit what AK--- until the Korean mags (as I mentioned earlier).
It became very confusing, as I had over 30 AK mags and 7 AK's. The source of the mag was not a predictor of fit. For example, a few com-bloc European mags did not fit my Saiga or Vepr AK without a struggle, magpul was too tight for others, etc...

I like the Korean steel mags, and they fit all the AK's I have-- easily attach, cost less then most, and drop free.
I like the drop free feature.

 

[Gavinha3456]

Try other mags. There was a time I had to write the AK name, or use a color dot matching code, on each mag so that I could tell which mag fit what AK--- until the Korean mags (as I mentioned earlier).
It became very confusing, as I had over 30 AK mags and 7 AK's. The source of the mag was not a predictor of fit. For example, a few com-bloc European mags did not fit my Saiga or Vepr AK without a struggle, magpul was too tight for others, etc...

I like the Korean steel mags, and they fit all the AK's I have-- easily attach, cost less then most, and drop free.
I like the drop free feature.

Thanks for the info!

 

[DrewBone]

All import AKs are brought in as Sporter rifles, single stack magwells, no pistol grip. They're cut by the importer/distributor/ manufacturer/ someone to the form that looks tactical and desirable.

You are lucky if your AK fits the mags.

What? The only AKM that I'm aware of to have come into the US with a neutered/non-original magwell was the original WASR 10 (with the "10" representing its 10 round single stack magazine), which was a "post ban" version cobbled together for legal importability into the US. This lead to US manufacturers producing AKM's in the US to avoid such importation restrictions. Then at a later date, the monkeys over at Century did a poor job of enlarging the magwells of their WASR 10 rifles in stock to accept standard AKM magazines, resulting in many of these rifles having very loose fitting magazines - because the Romanian receivers *did not have dimples to support the sides of the magazine when installed.

This lack of dimples can be seen in the Wikipedia WASR 10 image below:

 

[cciman]

What? The only AKM that I'm aware of to have come into the US with a neutered/non-original magwell was the original WASR 10 (with the "10" representing its 10 round single stack magazine), which was a "post ban" version cobbled together for legal importability into the US. This lead to US manufacturers producing AKM's in the US to avoid such importation restrictions. Then at a later date, the monkeys over at Century did a poor job of enlarging the magwells of their WASR 10 rifles in stock to accept standard AKM magazines, resulting in many of these rifles having very loose fitting magazines - because the Romanian receivers *did not have dimples to support the sides of the magazine when installed.

This lack of dimples can be seen in the Wikipedia WASR 10 image below:

Hate to burst your fantasy bubble, but ALL AK GUNS SOLD HERE are modified into the form you are familiar with.

 

[cciman]

See in the vid what zastava has to do to the guns before sales here. You see why they are so expensive now?

 

[DrewBone]

Hate to burst your fantasy bubble, but ALL AK GUNS SOLD HERE are modified into the form you are familiar with.

Hate to burst your fantasy bubble but not all AK/AKM rifles are imported; those AK/AKM rifles that are manufactured here in the US do not require any "work" to make them 922r compliant, e.g., those manufactured by Kalashnikov USA, PSA, James River Armory, Krebs Custom, Riley Defense, etc.

 

[cciman]

That's not what you were originally referring to in your post #55

What? The only AKM that I'm aware of to have come into the US with a neutered/non-original magwell was the original WASR 10 (with the "10" representing its 10 round single stack magazine),

I stand corrected - not all AKs, just those with imported pedigree: If the guns (or receiver) are 100% made in the USA, or already 922r compliant, they do not need to go through that. Century(recently) KUSA PSA are in that league.

JRA, Krebs, Riley, Arsenal, Century(in the past) - reconstruct imported AK's into 922r, and put their "name" on it to sell -- they do don't make them from scratch, so they have to do a little work, unless the 922 compliance is already there. - so they are likely in the same boat as Zastava.

 

[Jade Falcon]

My surplus Romanian mags are sloppy loose. The Romanian mags function perfect even though they are sloppy fitting. The Chinese and the Polish polymer mags fit perfect with no or very little slop.

I have a ton of AK mags for my 10/63 and WBP Jack....everything from American-made to metal Romanian and metal/poly Bulgarians. Even a coveted Circle 10! The Circle 10 fits perfectly in both rifles, and the Gen 3 pmags fit VERY snuggly in the 10/63, but I don't believe I've tried them yet in the Jack. I also haven't tried the other American brands that I have, nor any of the metal Bulgarians, in the Jack, but I do have 3 metal Romanian mags

The American mags and Romanian mags I have (the large 40-rounder on the right is a polymer Bulgarian "bullet mag" without the metal reinforcements):

And the new Bulgarians I have:

I bought four each, but then I bought more of the steel Bulgarians, but I can't remember how many.....I think another 4? I've skipped on the KCI Korean-made mags and the steel-lined Bulgarian polymer mags....the Bulgarians because they don't have reinforced feed lips or lugs, and the Korean mags because of questionable quality and reliability issues. The brown Bulgarians above, as you can see, have reinforced lugs and feed lips, but polymer bodies.

Haven't tried either of these in either of my AKs. The metal Bulgarians come sealed in cosmoline....not the end of the world, but I don't want to make a mess lol. I'll try the brown Bulgarians when I get a chance....they look well made.