[picker]

I have a jug of red dot that I used for shot gun and while I know there are better choices for 9...........I have 8 pounds of this stuff, anyone care to share you load data ?
Best/joe

 

[fredj338]

The old Speer #11 has data. What bullet wts. I'll look it up when I get home.

 

[picker]

The old Speer #11 has data. What bullet wts. I'll look it up when I get home.

Fred, I really appreciate that, 115/124 grn. would be fine.
Best/joe

 

[smokey45]

I have a jug of red dot that I used for shot gun and while I know there are better choices for 9...........I have 8 pounds of this stuff, anyone care to share you load data ?
Best/joe

Well, surprise, surprise, no pistol data for Red Dot in their Reloader's Guide!
I have data in my Llyman manuals. I use Red Dot data to load Promo in 9mm and .40. I have 24# of the stuff. Looks like Fred has you covered tho. Works great for 9/.40/.45.
s45

 

[picker]

Well, surprise, surprise, no pistol data for Red Dot in their Reloader's Guide!
I have data in my Llyman manuals. I use Red Dot data to load Promo in 9mm and .40. I have 24# of the stuff. Looks like Fred has you covered tho. Works great for 9/.40/.45.
s45

Yes, finding Red Dot data for pistol is skimpy at best I guess the maker assumes with so many good powders availible for pistol why would anyone want to load pistol cartridges, problem is finding those good powders like Power Pistol or N350................best/joe

 

[WeeWilly]

A couple of the older Alliant Reloader Guides list Red Dot and 9mm Luger.

For 115 FMJ - 4.5gr at 1.120" for 1150fps from a 4" barrel
For 125 FMJ - 4.6gr at 1.150" for 1145fps from a 4" barrel

Both the 1995 and the 2003 books listed the same load, which just means they copied it over for a number of years...

 

[fredj338]

A couple of the older Alliant Reloader Guides list Red Dot and 9mm Luger.

For 115 FMJ - 4.5gr at 1.120" for 1150fps from a 4" barrel
For 125 FMJ - 4.6gr at 1.150" for 1145fps from a 4" barrel

Both the 1995 and the 2003 books listed the same load, which just means they copied it over for a number of years...

Odd they would list a higher load for the heavier bullet???

 

[WeeWilly]

Odd they would list a higher load for the heavier bullet???

Yeah, I saw that too. In addition, the velocity was only 5 fps difference. Maybe they tested the two loads on different days. I am going to go back to the Hercules guides and see what they indicate. Both the 1995 and the 2003 Alliant books listed the exact same loads (which as I posted must just mean they never went back and looked at them again).

Update - Just took a look at the 1987 Hercules guide. For Red Dot they list:

115gr FMJ - 4.0gr at 1.050 min OAL - 1115fps
124gr FMJ - 4.0gr at 1.100 min OAL - 1065 fps.

What I don't know is if they went through a reformulation when Alliant bought Hercules.

Update #2 - The Hercules pressure is in CUP and the Alliant pressures are in PSI, so they did retest them. Too bad as they are apples and oranges for comparison purposes.

 

[fredj338]

Speer #11
124gr rnfp, 4.5-4.9gr
No oal, back then they didn't worry as much about it.

 

[picker]

Thanks men, for all the good info, that oughta get me pointed in the right direction.
Best/joe

 

[Gpruitt54]

I've recently been recommended to look for 124gr or 147gr 9mm load data for Red Dot and/or Promo. However, it does not exist, at least in the currently published reload books that I own. Also, the data is not in the Alliant online load data. That's probably because Red Dot and Promo are shot shell powders.

Does published hand gun load data for these two powders exist? I am not inclined to experiment.

 

[DWB57]

I'm looking at a Lyman third edition and shows a red dot load and it's for a 120 gr lead bullet 3.0 min-3.9 max 1.065 oal. The 3.9 gr load shows 1149 fps.

 

[fredj338]

I've recently been recommended to look for 124gr or 147gr 9mm load data for Red Dot and/or Promo. However, it does not exist, at least in the currently published reload books that I own. Also, the data is not in the Alliant online load data. That's probably because Red Dot and Promo are shot shell powders.

Does published hand gun load data for these two powders exist? I am not inclined to experiment.

We just pointed out published data. Promo loads the same by weight as RD. of course always work it up.

 

[Gpruitt54]

We just pointed out published data. Promo loads the same by weight as RD. of course always work it up.

Sorry, did I miss that in this thread? I will review the thread more closely.

 

[Gpruitt54]

I'm looking at a Lyman third edition and shows a red dot load and it's for a 120 gr lead bullet 3.0 min-3.9 max 1.065 oal. The 3.9 gr load shows 1149 fps.

Wow. My Lyman 49th edition does does show Red Dot for a 120gr 9mm lead bullet. That's 27gr lighter than my 147gr plated bullets. How does one extrapolate to the heaver bullet, added powder, OAL, etc?

 

[Gpruitt54]

Looking some of the comments, It looks as if I should try to get my hands on some older reloading guides.

 

[Gpruitt54]

The old Speer #11 has data. What bullet wts. I'll look it up when I get home.

Fred. I see that you have an older Speer manual with data for Red Dot and 9mm. Would be so kind as to tell me if the manual addresses 124gr and 147gr plated RN bullets with Red Dot and/or Promo powder?

 

[smokey45]

I have my own personal data for both the 125gn/147gn, both lead and plated using Promo. I also have published data for Red Dot. When I can get to my desk top, I'll post the published data. If you want my personal load data, you may PM me. My data runs in the 130-140 power factor range. My data is safe in my guns, use at your own risk.
s45

 

[fredj338]

Fred. I see that you have an older Speer manual with data for Red Dot and 9mm. Would be so kind as to tell me if the manual addresses 124gr and 147gr plated RN bullets with Red Dot and/or Promo powder?

No, back then plated were pretty rare & the 147gr had not come to be. No magic with plated, just use lead data. Plated load smack in the middle between lead & jacketed.
I understand anyones reticence on going off book, but it isnt all that scary, but one really should use a chrono. Too many good powder/bullet combos to be confined to a book. We are loading plated, coated, very few data points for such bullets. Then there are the 160-165gr. I have no issue posting data here, we are all adults, assume your own risk for using it.

 

[Rellik]

Any body think about writing to Alliant? That's how I got my data for Sport Pistol before they posted it.
The problem with old data is that fomulations change, effecting burnrates.