I have a jug of red dot that I used for shot gun and while I know there are better choices for 9...........I have 8 pounds of this stuff, anyone care to share you load data ?
Best/joe
Best/joe
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Yes, finding Red Dot data for pistol is skimpy at best I guess the maker assumes with so many good powders availible for pistol why would anyone want to load pistol cartridges, problem is finding those good powders like Power Pistol or N350................best/joe
A couple of the older Alliant Reloader Guides list Red Dot and 9mm Luger.
For 115 FMJ - 4.5gr at 1.120" for 1150fps from a 4" barrel
For 125 FMJ - 4.6gr at 1.150" for 1145fps from a 4" barrel
Both the 1995 and the 2003 books listed the same load, which just means they copied it over for a number of years...
For 115 FMJ - 4.5gr at 1.120" for 1150fps from a 4" barrel
For 125 FMJ - 4.6gr at 1.150" for 1145fps from a 4" barrel
Both the 1995 and the 2003 books listed the same load, which just means they copied it over for a number of years...
Odd they would list a higher load for the heavier bullet???A couple of the older Alliant Reloader Guides list Red Dot and 9mm Luger.
For 115 FMJ - 4.5gr at 1.120" for 1150fps from a 4" barrel
For 125 FMJ - 4.6gr at 1.150" for 1145fps from a 4" barrel
Both the 1995 and the 2003 books listed the same load, which just means they copied it over for a number of years...
Yeah, I saw that too. In addition, the velocity was only 5 fps difference. Maybe they tested the two loads on different days. I am going to go back to the Hercules guides and see what they indicate. Both the 1995 and the 2003 Alliant books listed the exact same loads (which as I posted must just mean they never went back and looked at them again).
Update - Just took a look at the 1987 Hercules guide. For Red Dot they list:
115gr FMJ - 4.0gr at 1.050 min OAL - 1115fps
124gr FMJ - 4.0gr at 1.100 min OAL - 1065 fps.
What I don't know is if they went through a reformulation when Alliant bought Hercules.
Update #2 - The Hercules pressure is in CUP and the Alliant pressures are in PSI, so they did retest them. Too bad as they are apples and oranges for comparison purposes.
Thanks men, for all the good info, that oughta get me pointed in the right direction.
Best/joe
Best/joe
I've recently been recommended to look for 124gr or 147gr 9mm load data for Red Dot and/or Promo. However, it does not exist, at least in the currently published reload books that I own. Also, the data is not in the Alliant online load data. That's probably because Red Dot and Promo are shot shell powders.
Does published hand gun load data for these two powders exist? I am not inclined to experiment.
Does published hand gun load data for these two powders exist? I am not inclined to experiment.
I'm looking at a Lyman third edition and shows a red dot load and it's for a 120 gr lead bullet 3.0 min-3.9 max 1.065 oal. The 3.9 gr load shows 1149 fps.
Wow. My Lyman 49th edition does does show Red Dot for a 120gr 9mm lead bullet. That's 27gr lighter than my 147gr plated bullets. How does one extrapolate to the heaver bullet, added powder, OAL, etc?
Looking some of the comments, It looks as if I should try to get my hands on some older reloading guides.
I have my own personal data for both the 125gn/147gn, both lead and plated using Promo. I also have published data for Red Dot. When I can get to my desk top, I'll post the published data. If you want my personal load data, you may PM me. My data runs in the 130-140 power factor range. My data is safe in my guns, use at your own risk.
s45
s45
Any body think about writing to Alliant? That's how I got my data for Sport Pistol before they posted it.
The problem with old data is that fomulations change, effecting burnrates.
The problem with old data is that fomulations change, effecting burnrates.
The issue with powder manuf is they ate not testing every bullet/powder combo. They care to nor really want to. We buy all the powder they can produce, shoot it as we choose to. Certainly worth a try though. You are just as likely to get a reply like; "we do not advocate the use of that powder for your load application".
Many o us use WST in 9 & 40 minor,but Win doesnt provide data support. Doesnt mean it vant be done safely. Any pistol caliber can be made to run on just about any powder safely.
Here's some data from an old Lyman manual I bought back in the mid 60s. The cover is missing along with a few pages, back in the day we had to either develop our own data, pick it up from a trusted fellow loader, or (gasp) read a manual. This one is well used, which explains it's condition. At least it's a place to start, hope it's helpful.
s45
FWIW I have data in the Lyman 49th edition for 120gn cast, which has been posted in this thread. I have data from Hornady Fourth Edition Volume One for a 124gn lead, OR FMJ. (yep, cast & FMJ same data)
Start 3.8gns Red Dot for 1025fps. Max 4.2gns Red Dot for 1075fps.
s45
Start 3.8gns Red Dot for 1025fps. Max 4.2gns Red Dot for 1075fps.
s45
Jacketed:
Bullet Weight Powder Weight Velocity Note P.F. COL
Sie J-all 125 Red Dot 3.2 900 Start 113 1.075-1.135
FMJ 125 Red Dot 3.7 1000 Start 125
J-all 124 Red Dot 3.7 Start
Hdy FMJ-FP/FMJ-RN 124 Red Dot 3.8 1025 Start 127 1.050/1.150
Spr SP 125 Red Dot 4.0 938 Start 117
FMC 124 Red Dot 4.0 1065 Max 132 1.142
JSP 125 Red Dot 4.2 977 Start 122
Hdy FMJ-FP/FMJ-RN 124 Red Dot 4.2 1075 Max 133 1.050/1.150
J-all 124 Red Dot 4.2 Max
Sie J-all 125 Red Dot 4.6 1100 Max 138 1.075-1.135
FMJ 125 Red Dot 4.6 1145 Max 143 1.142
FMJ 125 Red Dot 4.6 1150 Max 144 1.090
JSP 125 Red Dot 4.7 1085 Max 136 1.142
Spr SP 125 Red Dot 5.0 1136 Max 142
XTP 147 Red Dot 3.1 Start 0
XTP 147 Red Dot 3.4 895 Max 132 1.140
Lead and Plated: use lead bullet data. Please, use lead bullet data. Start at start load. Take no short cuts.
Bullet Weight Powder Weight Velocity Note P.F. COL
L-RN 121 Red Dot 3.0 919 Start 111
Speer L-RN 125 Red Dot 3.3 888 Start 111 1.130
L-all 124 Red Dot 3.6 Start
Speer L-RN 125 Red Dot 3.6 1004 Max 126 1.130
L-RN 121 Red Dot 3.8 1010 Start 122
L-RN 121 Red Dot 3.8 1020 Start 123
L-RN 125 Red Dot 3.8 1040 Start 130
L-RN 121 Red Dot 3.9 1140 Max 138
L-all 124 Red Dot 4.1 Max
Lead 125 Red Dot 4.1 Start 0
L-RN 125 Red Dot 4.2 1083 Max 135
L-RN 121 Red Dot 4.5 1115 Max 135
L-RN 121 Red Dot 4.5 1130 Max 137
Lead 125 Red Dot 4.5 1145 Max 143 1.150
L-CP 147 Red Dot 3.4 900 Max 132 1.125
Bullet Weight Powder Weight Velocity Note P.F. COL
Sie J-all 125 Red Dot 3.2 900 Start 113 1.075-1.135
FMJ 125 Red Dot 3.7 1000 Start 125
J-all 124 Red Dot 3.7 Start
Hdy FMJ-FP/FMJ-RN 124 Red Dot 3.8 1025 Start 127 1.050/1.150
Spr SP 125 Red Dot 4.0 938 Start 117
FMC 124 Red Dot 4.0 1065 Max 132 1.142
JSP 125 Red Dot 4.2 977 Start 122
Hdy FMJ-FP/FMJ-RN 124 Red Dot 4.2 1075 Max 133 1.050/1.150
J-all 124 Red Dot 4.2 Max
Sie J-all 125 Red Dot 4.6 1100 Max 138 1.075-1.135
FMJ 125 Red Dot 4.6 1145 Max 143 1.142
FMJ 125 Red Dot 4.6 1150 Max 144 1.090
JSP 125 Red Dot 4.7 1085 Max 136 1.142
Spr SP 125 Red Dot 5.0 1136 Max 142
XTP 147 Red Dot 3.1 Start 0
XTP 147 Red Dot 3.4 895 Max 132 1.140
Lead and Plated: use lead bullet data. Please, use lead bullet data. Start at start load. Take no short cuts.
Bullet Weight Powder Weight Velocity Note P.F. COL
L-RN 121 Red Dot 3.0 919 Start 111
Speer L-RN 125 Red Dot 3.3 888 Start 111 1.130
L-all 124 Red Dot 3.6 Start
Speer L-RN 125 Red Dot 3.6 1004 Max 126 1.130
L-RN 121 Red Dot 3.8 1010 Start 122
L-RN 121 Red Dot 3.8 1020 Start 123
L-RN 125 Red Dot 3.8 1040 Start 130
L-RN 121 Red Dot 3.9 1140 Max 138
L-all 124 Red Dot 4.1 Max
Lead 125 Red Dot 4.1 Start 0
L-RN 125 Red Dot 4.2 1083 Max 135
L-RN 121 Red Dot 4.5 1115 Max 135
L-RN 121 Red Dot 4.5 1130 Max 137
Lead 125 Red Dot 4.5 1145 Max 143 1.150
L-CP 147 Red Dot 3.4 900 Max 132 1.125
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