[frank4570]

A lot of horsepower in a package that can be comfortably carried and shot well.
Why? Why can't I have that?

 

[bac1023]

You can get a Grizzly, Wildey, or Automag IV. Have fun lugging them around with you.

 

[frank4570]

The grizzley is actually not that bad. But it is a 1911 style. I know the wildey is really huge, no experience with the automag. But these are all very unique guns, 2 of them not made anymore. None of them double action.

 

[bac1023]

Sorry, I missed the DA part.

That said, the Wildey is double action. Are you talking DAO?

 

[ronin.45]

They aren't going to make a carry gun in that cartridge.

I feel pretty confident saying that no big company will ever chamber that round in a new design.

There are plenty of good choices in the power or size range that you want.(though possibly not both)

 

[jp3975]

I knew of a sheriff that carried a .454 revolver.

Why not one of those?

 

[bac1023]

They aren't going to make a carry gun in that cartridge.

I feel pretty confident saying that no big company will ever chamber that round in a new design.

Yeah, there's no way that round is ever going to be chambered in anything new. What's the point? :dunno:

There is certainly no way a carry gun will ever be chambered for it. Its an irrelevant cartridge these days.

 

[frank4570]

I knew of a sheriff that carried a .454 revolver.

Why not one of those?

Revolvers are super thick through the middle, and a tremendous amount of blast comes through the cylinder gap. And they run short on ammo, comparatively.

I have a S&W .41 mag sitting back there I was going to cut down the barrel, give it a trigger job, and use it.

 

[bac1023]

Revolvers are super thick through the middle, and a tremendous amount of blast comes through the cylinder gap. And they run short on ammo, comparatively.

Any auto chambered for the 45 Win Mag is going to be big and heavy. It's far too robust a cartridge to be chambered in a pistol the size and weight of your average service gun.

As far as capacity goes, even the Wildey only held 7 or 8 rounds, so do you really think a smaller pistol in that clambering would really hold more ammo than a revolver?

If you don't mind me asking, why do you want a carry gun with that kind of power? Is it for woods use?

Sorry for all the questions. I'm just trying to make some sense out of this thread, because right now I don't get it...

 

[frank4570]

I better not mind all the questions if I started the thread.

I'm pretty sure the freedom arms 454 is a 5 shot, that's pretty limited compared to 7 or 8.

I carried a .40 for a long time. I live on a small farm, my neighbor has goats. One of the other neighbors had 2 german shepherds who were getting out and killing everything, the dogs owner swore the dogs were not getting out while he was not at work,:upeyes:, typical.
One day my neighbor heard his goats yelling, he found the german shephers had climbed the 5 foot fence an were killing the goats. The female soaked up 3 rounds of buckshot and lost an ear before she went down. The male took 2 hits of birdshot then cleared the 5 foot fence and escaped, he lived.
That's when I put away the .40 I was carrying an went to the 10mm you see in my avatar. I've killed a number of predators with it. After the dog thing, there is no such thing as enough horse-power in a gun I carry.

A number of years ago CZ had agreed to chamber their 45 caliber double action in the .40 super. That is a significant step up in speed over the 10mm. They bailed at the last minute, too bad.

Any auto chambered for the 45 Win Mag is going to be big and heavy. It's far too robust a cartridge to be chambered in a pistol the size and weight of your average service gun.

As far as capacity goes, even the Wildey only held 7 or 8 rounds, so do you really think a smaller pistol in that clambering would really hold more ammo than a revolver?

If you don't mind me asking, why do you want a carry gun with that kind of power? Is it for woods use?

Sorry for all the questions. I'm just trying to make some sense out of this thread, because right now I don't get it...

 

[bac1023]

I was thinking a 44mag revolver, actually. That's roughly the same power as 45 Win Mag.

You certainly don't need 454.. Honestly, I would think any service caliber with the right ammo would be more than adequate on a 100 pound dog. The 40S&W sounds good to me.

 

[frank4570]

I was thinking a 44mag revolver, actually. That's roughly the same power as 45 Win Mag.

You certainly don't need 454.. Honestly, I would think any service caliber with the right ammo would be more than adequate on a 100 pound dog. The 40S&W sounds good to me.

I would think that 1 hit with buckshot would end things with most any dog. I don't think that anymore. The whole thing spooked me a little bit.

 

[F106 Fan]

Double action like a revolver or double action like a Glock?

There is a .460 Rowland conversion for the Glock G21 & G30
http://460rowland.com/can-the-460-be-used-on-a-glock/

For revolvers there is the S&W 500 man-portable cannon.

Richard

 

[Haldor]

I would think that 1 hit with buckshot would end things with most any dog. I don't think that anymore. The whole thing spooked me a little bit.

Penetration is the answer.

A .44 mag or 10mm with a solid (not hollowpoint) hard cast lead bullet will do the job. Underwood makes a 10mm load with a 220g hard cast flat nose bullet at 1200 FPS. If using a Glock 20, you will need to use an aftermarket barrel since it is cast lead, but that load will flat tear stuff up.

http://www.underwoodammo.com/10mmAuto220GrainHardCastFlatNoseBoxof50.aspx

Denmark's Sirius Sledge Patrol are issued Glock 20 pistols for use as defense against Polar Bears. I seriously doubt if any dog is as hard to put down as a bear. A G20 gives you 15+1 capacity with quick reload capability in case you are dealing with a pack of dogs.

 

[frank4570]

Double action like a revolver or double action like a Glock?

There is a .460 Rowland conversion for the Glock G21 & G30
http://460rowland.com/can-the-460-be-used-on-a-glock/

For revolvers there is the S&W 500 man-portable cannon.

Richard

Actually, I have thought long and hard about a 460 conversion for my XD. The ONLY reason I don't do that is because I don't want to end up in court with a prosecutor painting me as rambo because of my souped-up pistol. I won't carry something unless it is something I can walk down to the gun store and buy, same with ammo.

And I much prefer a traditional true double action. That way if I have the time and inclination I can pull the hammer back for more precise shots. Especially if the single action has been smoothed up. Hammer down for safety for everyday carry.

 

[jakebrake]

I was thinking a 44mag revolver, actually. That's roughly the same power as 45 Win Mag.

loaded with 300 grain? should be more than adequate.

 

[Michael Rye]

Yes, 45 Win Mag is going to be big in any configuration.

Frank, have you considered a SRH in 454 Casull? It's a six shot, unlike the FA which is only five. Plus it also comes in an Alaskan version which has a much shorter barrel.

Maybe an option for you?

 

[OldSchool64]

I get the impression the OP prefers pistols over revolvers :dunno:

However, in a rural area and on a small farm... I'd be perfectly comfortable strapping on an open carry 44 mag revolver when the need should arise, and still have a 10mm CC for back-up




BTW...

And I much prefer a traditional true double action. That way if I have the time and inclination I can pull the hammer back for more precise shots. Especially if the single action has been smoothed up. Hammer down for safety for everyday carry.

I agree with that line of thinking, and FWIW... that's why I bought a CZ75 (Springfield clone) instead of a Browning Hi Power when I wanted a service size high cap 9mm.

Hope this doesn't turn into a debate about pistol actions, it's a matter of personal preference.

 

[bac1023]

I would think that 1 hit with buckshot would end things with most any dog. I don't think that anymore. The whole thing spooked me a little bit.

I'd actually feel more comfortable with an expanding service round on something like a dog. Its best to have all the energy expended in the target, in my opinion. A single ball from a buck shot shell isn't going to have the same impact.

A JHP 40S&W or any service caliber for that matter, should make a mess out of a 100 pound animal. You don't need a 45 Win Mag.

 

[bac1023]

Guys, I'm reading all the replies. Keep in mind, the OP is referring to 80 to 100 pound dogs, not bears.

I'd rather use a service pistol and have a little more control. I'd rather carry a nice 230gr 45ACP hollow point, which will expand nicely and expend all its energy on target. I could be wrong, but I believe a configuration like that should put an 80lb animal down pretty quick, even if shot placement was less than ideal.