Iv read about the rip bullets but also read they dont like the glock 19 would really like to hear what else is out there
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RIP is bull****. I definitely do not want a bullet that is designed to shed mass. I want it intact, with all it's mass to punch through and break bones if needed. Reach those vitals! Gold Dots for me.
To be fair, I'd like to add that I do keep such a bullet. In my rifle! 300 grains and solid brass. Explosive on soft targets, more than just a flesh wound from the petals, and the core will go clean through a mofo at any angle. Not exactly a 9mm, but badass.
Check with Mr. Masaad over on his threads in this website for the most comprehensive answer to that question.These days after over a century of ongoing development, 9mm pistol ammo has at last came into its own in the so called "mythical stopping power" department.
I myself don't believe in "mythical stopping power". Some ammo and calibers have failed for decades and some have been standbys for decades longer. Why some people find this impossible to grasp is beyond my ken. An old reliable fails very occasionally and it is held up as unreliable and the "mythical stopping power" crowd goes into overdrive trying to prove decades of historical fact wrong.
History has proved what has worked and failed for over four hundred years but this is wasted on the "mythical stopping power" crowd. Some things almost always work. Some things almost always fail.
Present day alloys and powders have at last elevated the historically poor stopping power of the 9mm to an art form. Such ammo is always about $1+ a cartridge, but then what is the value of your life?
Modern pistol fighting 9mm ammo and firearms like Glock, Sig, et al, are about as good as the platform will get for self defense. Said ammo will penetrate barriers and open like parasols in a high wind inside a Goblin's body, have less recoil, and more ammo to go around when stink is in the wind.
Trick is to find what works in your pistol that is used by the people that have to live or die with the choices of ammo and pistol they use. Hard to argue with people that have to literally "shoot to live". Shot placement is king, but better yet when the ammo does it's job wherever it finds a home. You may only get one shot, and maybe that shot will be in an extremity. Best to have ammo that has a proven track record of putting a hard charging savage down and in a package you can control. That is exactly what SOMEONE will be faced with defending against this week alone. It may be you this time.....
There is no higher benchmark than that.
"We don't hold grudges. We remember the facts."
Gray_Rider
Unreconstructed.
Unrepentant.
Old Secessh!
I myself don't believe in "mythical stopping power". Some ammo and calibers have failed for decades and some have been standbys for decades longer. Why some people find this impossible to grasp is beyond my ken. An old reliable fails very occasionally and it is held up as unreliable and the "mythical stopping power" crowd goes into overdrive trying to prove decades of historical fact wrong.
History has proved what has worked and failed for over four hundred years but this is wasted on the "mythical stopping power" crowd. Some things almost always work. Some things almost always fail.
Present day alloys and powders have at last elevated the historically poor stopping power of the 9mm to an art form. Such ammo is always about $1+ a cartridge, but then what is the value of your life?
Modern pistol fighting 9mm ammo and firearms like Glock, Sig, et al, are about as good as the platform will get for self defense. Said ammo will penetrate barriers and open like parasols in a high wind inside a Goblin's body, have less recoil, and more ammo to go around when stink is in the wind.
Trick is to find what works in your pistol that is used by the people that have to live or die with the choices of ammo and pistol they use. Hard to argue with people that have to literally "shoot to live". Shot placement is king, but better yet when the ammo does it's job wherever it finds a home. You may only get one shot, and maybe that shot will be in an extremity. Best to have ammo that has a proven track record of putting a hard charging savage down and in a package you can control. That is exactly what SOMEONE will be faced with defending against this week alone. It may be you this time.....
There is no higher benchmark than that.
"We don't hold grudges. We remember the facts."
Gray_Rider
Unreconstructed.
Unrepentant.
Old Secessh!
The deadliest? The ones you keep loaded in your gun and had practiced with for when TSHTF.
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The one that you can consistently hit with high reliability.
Remington Golden Sabers 124Gr JHP have been very very good to me.... Reasonable slide speed producing very acceptable split times.
Other 124Gr options work very similarly in competition and the 'field'.
Bullets cannot perform the job if you are just "flinging lead" and not hitting the target. Lethal Force is NON EXISTENT if you MISS repeatedly!
Learn / Discover / Research what bullet weight will help you hit faster every time, and buy a boatload of that ammo.
That's all I got, hope it helps you out!
Remington Golden Sabers 124Gr JHP have been very very good to me.... Reasonable slide speed producing very acceptable split times.
Other 124Gr options work very similarly in competition and the 'field'.
Bullets cannot perform the job if you are just "flinging lead" and not hitting the target. Lethal Force is NON EXISTENT if you MISS repeatedly!
Learn / Discover / Research what bullet weight will help you hit faster every time, and buy a boatload of that ammo.
That's all I got, hope it helps you out!
If you ever get sued for lawfully defending yourself, this is not the kind of public post you want "out there" for the plaintiff's attorney to find.
The deadliest 9mm round is the one you can put in the right place if you ever are caught in a self defense situation. Ballistic gel tests can be as ambiguous and misleading as horsepower numbers in cars. You can have a Bugatti Veyron and easily get beat in a race by a car with half the power on paper if you can't drive as well as the driver of the "slower car".
Weird comparisons aside, as far as actual brands go, you cannot go wrong with any of the premium ammo types. Speer, Hornaday, Federal, Winchester, Corbon, Remington, Barnes, and a few others all produce quality ammunition capable of incapacitating a threat without difficulty so long as the bullet hits something vital.
That being said, I would take standard FMJ and excellent shot placement any day over any JHP and less than optimal shot placement. That statement should emphasize the importance of training being more important than product choice when ammo is concerned.
My personal choice is Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P. The reason I landed on that is it is always readily available locally, is priced reasonably, has fed and fired 100% in every pistol I have used it in and my 9mm AR which essentially has similar performance to most full sized semi auto handguns as it has a 5" barrel. That being said, my choice could easily have been from any of the other manufacturers had I tried their rounds before the GD's.
Weird comparisons aside, as far as actual brands go, you cannot go wrong with any of the premium ammo types. Speer, Hornaday, Federal, Winchester, Corbon, Remington, Barnes, and a few others all produce quality ammunition capable of incapacitating a threat without difficulty so long as the bullet hits something vital.
That being said, I would take standard FMJ and excellent shot placement any day over any JHP and less than optimal shot placement. That statement should emphasize the importance of training being more important than product choice when ammo is concerned.
My personal choice is Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P. The reason I landed on that is it is always readily available locally, is priced reasonably, has fed and fired 100% in every pistol I have used it in and my 9mm AR which essentially has similar performance to most full sized semi auto handguns as it has a 5" barrel. That being said, my choice could easily have been from any of the other manufacturers had I tried their rounds before the GD's.
I think the RIP bullets are "more sizzle than steak." Don't be taken in by the hype that some manufacturers use. If a bullet is very light, very fast, and fragments on impact to "exponentially maximize the wound channel," (or whatever hogwash the maker uses), you're not going to get consistent penetration sufficient to reach vital organs to stop a threat.
Go do some research. Run a search here and read some of the threads on here about ammo choice. Read what Massad Ayoob has to say on the matter. Then go find several different brands and weights of JHPs, buy a box of each, and see what your gun likes. Personally, I feed my G19 Remington Golden Sabers, but JHPs from any of the usual suspects (Remington, Hornady, Winchester, Federal, etc.) should perform pretty consistently.
Go do some research. Run a search here and read some of the threads on here about ammo choice. Read what Massad Ayoob has to say on the matter. Then go find several different brands and weights of JHPs, buy a box of each, and see what your gun likes. Personally, I feed my G19 Remington Golden Sabers, but JHPs from any of the usual suspects (Remington, Hornady, Winchester, Federal, etc.) should perform pretty consistently.
Agreed!
To the OP, keep this in mind. Rounds that say "killer" "zombie killer" or whatever other BS they put on them are for mall ninjas that live in their moms basement. Use a round that Law Enforcement uses. Law Enforcement doesn't carry ammo that "kills" or is the "deadliest" round out there. They carry ammo that has the best stopping power. Death is a byproduct of getting shot
To the OP, keep this in mind. Rounds that say "killer" "zombie killer" or whatever other BS they put on them are for mall ninjas that live in their moms basement. Use a round that Law Enforcement uses. Law Enforcement doesn't carry ammo that "kills" or is the "deadliest" round out there. They carry ammo that has the best stopping power. Death is a byproduct of getting shot
Best home defense round would be 00 buck in a 12 gauge but I digress. Look into Federal HST 124 +P, 147 +P, 124 and 147 standard pressure. You have to go to the range and test the ammo and your gun. The combination has to work together. In home you don't want too much penetration so I would say Federal HST 124gr standard pressure is a good starting point.
Ignore the weird stuff. Stick with the tried and true that's been proven to work in real-world shootings.
Get yourself some 124 grain Gold Dots and you'll be just fine.
Get yourself some 124 grain Gold Dots and you'll be just fine.
List is from Dr. Gary Roberts who is an authority on this subject.
The following loads all demonstrate outstanding terminal performance and can be considered acceptable for duty/self-defense use:
9 mm:
Barnes XPB 115 gr JHP (copper bullet)
Federal Tactical 124 gr JHP (LE9T1)
Federal HST 124 gr +P JHP (P9HST3)
Remington Golden Saber bonded 124 gr +P JHP (GSB9MMD)
Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +P JHP
Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
Winchester 124 gr +P bonded JHP (RA9BA)
Winchester Ranger-T 127 gr +P+ JHP (RA9TA)
Federal Tactical 135 gr +P JHP (LE9T5)
Hornady Critical Duty 135 gr +P PT
Federal HST 147 gr JHP (P9HST2)
Remington Golden Saber 147 gr JHP (GS9MMC)
Speer Gold Dot 147 gr JHP
Winchester Ranger-T 147 gr JHP (RA9T)
Winchester 147 gr bonded JHP (RA9B/Q4364)
The following loads all demonstrate outstanding terminal performance and can be considered acceptable for duty/self-defense use:
9 mm:
Barnes XPB 115 gr JHP (copper bullet)
Federal Tactical 124 gr JHP (LE9T1)
Federal HST 124 gr +P JHP (P9HST3)
Remington Golden Saber bonded 124 gr +P JHP (GSB9MMD)
Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +P JHP
Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
Winchester 124 gr +P bonded JHP (RA9BA)
Winchester Ranger-T 127 gr +P+ JHP (RA9TA)
Federal Tactical 135 gr +P JHP (LE9T5)
Hornady Critical Duty 135 gr +P PT
Federal HST 147 gr JHP (P9HST2)
Remington Golden Saber 147 gr JHP (GS9MMC)
Speer Gold Dot 147 gr JHP
Winchester Ranger-T 147 gr JHP (RA9T)
Winchester 147 gr bonded JHP (RA9B/Q4364)
Of course "stopping power" is a real thing. You shoot to stop and some ammo has the potential to stop faster than others, right (comes down to sufficient penetration for the most part)?
"Knockdown power" is the term that is bogus when it comes to handguns.
"Knockdown power" is the term that is bogus when it comes to handguns.
Regardless of what you hear about the "BEST" bullet... the end result is that ANY bullet will do the job you require, in reality... Not many home invaders are wearing bullet proof vests or kevlar. My philosophy is what would I want to get shot with???? Nothing! Not even a .22lr....and no one else does either..it's not the movies.... so, in reality, anything will do...
I know there will be the "NO WAY" crowd, and "Mine is the best" crowd, but the end results are the same. Rack the slide and they will run like their ass is on fire...without firing one round.
I know there will be the "NO WAY" crowd, and "Mine is the best" crowd, but the end results are the same. Rack the slide and they will run like their ass is on fire...without firing one round.
I've done some research online and watched some videos and it looks like Federal HST, Speer Gold Dot, and Winchester Ranger are the ones to use. I have a Steamlight mounted on the rail of my nightstand gun.
It has the most speed & power.
See...
http://www.ballistics101.com/9mm.php
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