So I have its predecessor, the Walther PPX. Ugly gun in just about every way but its ergonomics and the trigger is excellent. The Creed is the follow on, better looks but same trigger. Worth it for the price IMO.

 

269.00 at cdnn

 

Only thing I can find wrong with it is that it's not available in 40 S&W.

 

it's a 300-dollar gun. you get what you pay for.

 

You mean better ergonomics than a Glock, better trigger, and slides and frames that actually match and look nice?

Or was there something else you wanted to point out?

 

269.00 at cdnn

Plus shipping, plus FFL.

An ergonomic grip and nice trigger from Walther for $250 less than Glock? Heck yeah. This "get what you pay for" stuff is horse hockey. A Taurus PT111 in the low $200's is a fantastic gun, 100% reliable with a nice trigger.

If a Creed, PT111 and Glock 19 were the same cost, it would be Glock no doubt. But budget guns can have a lot going for them if approached objectively rather than with preconceptions.

 

not much over 300.00

 

Look at the new Ruger Security9

 

The 3-component barrel assembly is troubling; uses MIM for the barrel locking block.

 

That to me is the biggest issue with this gun, not so sure who long it may last with this. Supposedly Walther did a 10,000 round durability test but who knows. I know it has had some issues because of the ramp coming loose. A friend of mine has two handguns, both PPX's, one black and one two tone. She has had them for a few years, rides with them but doesn't really shoot them. I guess they can get dirty lol

Now my PPX is one of my guns used for home defense. It is a back up home defense gun, has around 2000 rounds through it and now it sits hidden. It has an excellent trigger, is accurate but IMO, meant for the above. I would not carry one as a duty gun or combat carry as I just don't know how long a gun like this may last. It is $300 for a reason. Walther makes good guns and these are not Umarex made, so I think there is probably some craftiness in their design.

 

Yeah lthe locking block is no place for MIM part. And I don't care who made it.

I'll pass on this one.

 

Don't know the gun, but know a thing or 2 about cost cutting.

The gun is cheaper for a reason, the trick is to find the reasons and judge if they are important to you.

The problem is, some things you cannot see in a new gun, like durability, or corrosion protection, or bad metallurgy, or low cost country sourcing/assembly.

 

It’s not something I’d buy, but I guess a decent gun for the money.

 

It is $300 for a reason. Walther makes good guns and these are not Umarex made, so I think there is probably some craftiness in their design.

It maybe made in a Walther factory and have their name on it but that thing looks Umarex all the way. Umarex didn't buy Walther just so they could keep making Walthers, they want the name and reputation on their products and this looks like a prime example.

Is it a decent gun for the money....could be. But it sure as heck isn't old school Walther quality even if it is what they're churning out in their factory nowadays.

 

Umarex didn't and doesn't make the PPX or Creed. It is an entry level Walther and having both the PPX, PPQ and Creed, it is a decent gun for the price. I guess actually having experience on them helps me with having that perspective. The PPQ seems to be Walther's top of the gun chain right now. The PPX and Creed don't have the same feel as the PPQ or P99.

 

Walther seems to be selling a lot of Creeds and I am reading very little complaints of problems on Walther Forum and others. Creed and PPX owners seem to love them and say they are great shooters and even Hickok45 was impressed with shooting the PPX. Walther had to make some compromises to meet the price point and only time will tell how durable they are for the long haul but IMHO most Creed buyers are not going to be high volume shooters and like many will maybe shoot a couple hundred rounds a year. If someone asks me what pistol to buy and they have a hard budget of around $300, the Walther Creed is on the short list to check out along with the Smith and Wesson SD9VE and Ruger SR9E.

 

Creed and PPX owners seem to love them and say they are great shooters and even Hickok45 was impressed with shooting the PPX.

Hickok has never met a gun he didn't like. For 300 bucks and change buy a Canik and you'll get the best value.

 

The Creed looks like the bastard offspring of a PPX and a Hi-Point. Still, if a little chunkiness is what it takes to produce a reliable, low cost pistol with a nice trigger, why not? I think I'd rather have a Creed on my nightstand than a Sigma with a trigger like a staple gun.

 

Why would Walther invite trouble with that three piece barrel when all the other sub $300 9mm pistols use barrels that are a single piece of steel? It tells me cost cutting dictated the Creeds design.

 

Has there been trouble with the barrel?! Of course, cost cutting dictated the design. It’s an entry level pistol. From the research I’ve done , despite the 3 piece barrel it’s still a decent gun.


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...every time I run into a Walther owner, they proceed to tell me how they saved $250 bucks...as we stand in the pro shop of our range after blowing off 250-500 rounds a couple of times a month. Same guys try to sell me on their cheap android cell phones as well. LOL

 

Hey I am a big fan of cheap Android phones but a gun is a different story. I won't buy cheap guns because my life and others depend on it going bang. That is why I always recommend Glock pistols. A cell phone, as long as it works it is fine with me.
My two cents.
Dennis P.

 

I've only owned one Walther and I absolutely loved it. It was the older design P99 and was an OD .40 S&W model. Great fit and finish and a handy little pistol with a nice trigger. Had to sell it when I fell on hard times after my accident.

By the time I was back on my feet, Walther went "full retard" in the aesthetics of their pistols and my beloved P99 was turned into the bastard love child of Hi-Point and Ruger.

I miss the old P99...

 

I also liked the looks of the P99, just never got around to shooting one.

Dennis P.

 

Not taking away from a Canik but they don't have anything on these unless looks are of importance. The trigger on these (like the PPX) is very very nice.

Do you own a Canik? Best buy polymer gun out there period! They are awesome.

 

Always gotta love when people think their opinion is the end all be all by stating "period!" LOL. Glad you like yours. The Creed still has a better trigger and shot better for me.

 

I love the name....No, I don't.

 

The trigger rocks on the PPX, just not sure about its durability and longgevity. Hold a PPQ then a PPXor Creed, you can tell a difference in quality. If money were an issue, I would reccomend one for sure.

 

I bought a PPX from CDNN a couple years ago. Accurate, very sweet trigger, although how long the pieced together barrel would hold up for a high volume shooter I don't know.
I've also got a Canik Tp9sa and it is the best buy in a plastic framed pistol - right now. But I'm meeting a friend at the range this afternoon and we're going to put his new Ruger Security 9 through it's paces. It's general theme/style - to me - says direct competitor to the Glock 19, supposedly the most popular pistol in the world. We'll see.

 

I've also got a Canik Tp9sa and it is the best buy in a plastic framed pistol - right now.

I concur and the Elite is even better!

 

I am sold on the PPQ models, they shoot well, and point well. If I could knock anything they need better stippling on them. I have not shot a PPX or Creed model yet.

 

The customer demographic that will purchase a gun like the Creed will have maybe never owned a gun before, probably buy it from a store like Academy, run a box of shells through it at the range and put the gun in case (unloaded) under some clothes in their home closets.

The shortcuts in manufacturing for 99% of the guns will never be realized, because the guns will never be used enough.

 

There are Apprentice, Craftsmen...and Masters. Knowledge, experience, and results form the later. I know of zero, nil, nada...Masters who (without a contract) would recommend a Taurus to protect your life or more importantly...someone elses. YMMV

Masters would recommend to get what you can afford. A Taurus is better than empty hands any day.


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Masters would recommend to get what you can afford. A Taurus is better than empty hands any day.
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Yes, in lieu of a "rock"...I would recommend going with the Taurus. Sorry, no one I've ever met recommends them. Good luck tho...