Recall...and this is hard...

The new P09 is shiny and new...but it adds no new feature to the trigger or recoil or any other area. It's a limited cut for the safety guts and texture change.

The P series with SRT (Elite or Legion) has the fastest reset I've ever felt. I feel the P series is more comfortable than the gun everyone loves, the Shadow 2.

So think on it. If the Sig runs up against the Shadow 2...and the CZ polymer hammer gun hasn't changed, fundamentally...which is the better product, regardless of price? It's price that is stopping you, as it does all of us on the RDX P series. Pricey.

Have you ever heard someone compare the CZ P series against the CZ Shadow? They just aren't in the same class. Same function, not class.

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It depends on "what for".

I want another Red Dot carry gun. I got a PSA upper, tossed it on a SCT lower and it has been my "trainer" for RDs for a bit now. I decided I am not going to cut anything I have, and just add a few RD factory cut 9mms. Since the P09/P07 series is my favorite and I already know them and am proficient with them, the P09C Nocturne was a no brainer for me.

Now I only need add a RD single stack Carry 9 at some point.

 

Sig P365, silly

 

The P-09 fits my hands better, by a mile.

 

The SIG. That CZ is just another plastic gun like many others. I think you'll enjoy shooting the SIG more.

 

The SIG is worth the premium over the CZ.
The CZ is a solid pistol, but the SIG is a step up.

 

Have the P229 Legion in both DA/SA and SAO. Need I say more?

 

If you are wanting to scratch a DA/SA itch cheap, P09. No doubt. Wait and they'll rock bottom when everyone gets over it's still just a normal P07 with a cut.

If you want a premium experience, consider the Legion. Go cheaper and get the non cut Elite P229 that runs at $740 right now. That is the Legion frame and SRT installed.

Can't go wrong either way. But like MarkCo said, depends on what you want it for. If you aren't doing a red dot, the P229 Elite is the answer

At 6:11 shows you how the CZ (non Shadow line) trigger works. Some like it. Most would consider that too much of ever bad feature:

 

Tough for me.
Have a 229 DA Legion with spring work. Have an "old" 07 and 09, with Cajun gunworks pro packages. Down side of the CZ's was the slick grip, solved by talon grips.
I did handle a new CZ nocturne in the shop. New grip is very nice. Slide cuts were nice as well.
I'm not going to dump my old guns with the trigger work.
I do carry my 07 more than the 229, mostly due to weight.

BUT, I may HAVE TO thin out. Picked up a Langdon PX4 compact. Trumps ALL of them.

 

The guns purpose would be home defense as my EDC is a G48 MOS. I prefer it as it is thinner and lighter (but I would love a hammer version). Full disclosure, I already have a Sig P229 Legion and like it very much but it is a big fairly heavy gun. My thought was to sell it and purchase the lighter P09c, so I'm weighing the pros and cons on both sides.

Had a PX4 compact carry and it is a hard pass for me, thanks.

The problem is that I just can't get my hands on a P09c yet and too many times I've purchased online only to regret it later.

 

Curious which would you prefer and is the price difference significant enough to sway your choice?

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P-07	7.2 in	5.3 in	1.46 in	27.7 oz
P229 Nitron Compact	7.1 in	5.4 in	1.5 in	34.4 oz

Personally, I think the Sig has a better trigger and better grips thanks to the G10s. But it is much heavier and a lot more expensive. It has me thinking.

Where are the P09 specs instead?

Curious which would you prefer and is the price difference significant enough to sway your choice?

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P229 Nitron Compact	7.1 in	5.4 in	1.5 in	34.4 oz

Personally, I think the Sig has a better trigger and better grips thanks to the G10s. But it is much heavier and a lot more expensive. It has me thinking.

where are the P09c specs instead?

 

I really wanted to like the 229s and 226s, I’ve had a number of them over the years but just don’t shoot them well. I really like the p-07 and shoot it well so my choice would be CZ.

 

it does feel good in the hand.

However, watch that video. The stock CZ triggers are probably the worst triggers there are. Look at his hand shaking on the double action pull. Then is slips fast at the end.

He calls the reset not bad, it's almost 100% full forward. Look around. Not everyone is convinced the Canjun work keeps everything at 100% factory safe, certainly not in some combos.

If you're asking does the P07 feel nice, yes.

If you're asking which is the better package, it's the Sig.

 

Sig by far

Don’t like polymer CZ’s at all

 

Is have to shoot both if I was considering either. That would make my decision for me. All the other stuff is personal preference is a wash. So for me it would depend on which felt best in hand and that I shot better, all the rest(reliability/accuracy) is a wash for me its always if you have 2 reliable, accurate guns which shoots best for you/which you shoot best feels better in hand etc..

 

P09c is basically the same size as the old P07

Width 1.5"
Height 5.4"
Length 7.3"
Weight 26.1 oz

 

I am a P229 fan myself but the CZ's are great guns too. My preference (and EDC) is the P229 Legion.

 

I had a CZ P07 and regret selling it more than any other POLYMER pistol I ever owned.
Like I said, POLYMER pistol.

Aside from that, these 2 are both good pistols and many might choose the Sig and would be happy but for me, I d get the CZ simply because I don’t care for classic Sig control placement as I’ve stated before and the lighter weight of the CZ since these are more carry guns than they are anything else.

Another apples to oranges kinda thread…

 

At 34 oz. you will feel the weight of the SIG on your hip sooner.

The weight of the SIG will help overcome the ridiculously high bore axis when under recoil.

The lighter CZ finesses the recoil by dropping the bore axis to somewhere near reasonable.

 

CZ’s slide in frame setup helps keep that bore axis low.

 

SIG Hammer fired P series guns are, just something else. Never liked them in the past from an aesthetics point.

However, my P226 is just stupidly, ridiculously accurate and so reliable. I don't think I could make that thing jam. My W German P228 is also quite the shooter. They're excellent guns. DA is ok to decent on my P series, but that SA trigger pull is among the best I've ever pulled. OEM stock, nothing done to them.

CZ hammer fired guns are meh until you spring kit them. That's why CGW and Mcarbo have such a CZ business. OEM CZ trigger pulls are rough both DA and SA, unless you get up into and beyond their Shadow line. But that's a different animal altogether.

If it came down to only one, in this category, it'd be a tough choice. Probably my P226. Heavy, but damn that thing knows what its mission in life is. Ultra tough, ultra dependable, ultra accurate. The P228/229 is no different. Just smoller.

 

Even spring kit, the P CZ series isn't touch PDP, VP9, M&P for reset or over travel and "stacking." Same is true of even a Greyguns HK P series also isn't touching those.

The only "great" pedestrian hammer fired DA/SA is the P series Sig and a played with Beretta 92.

 

Third generation Smith and Wessons were the original short reset triggers.

 

I own multiple p229s including a legion. Owned a p07 with cgw upgrades. The 229 is a little heavier and bulky, but not by much. It is a better shooter IMHO, and I think the legion trigger is better even after the cgw pro package was installed on the p07.

I also don't know why the sig lists the 34.4 oz weight for the p229. The three I own all weight a hair over 31oz with an unloaded mag. My p226s weight 34oz. 4 to 5 oz more weight might seem like a lot, but it really is not very noticeable with a good belt and holster. Just the other day I went from carrying a p320 compact (33oz loaded as configured) to my p229 (37.5 oz loaded) and I could not really tell a weight difference.

That being said, I have just switched over to carrying a p30sk lem with GG short reset kit and flat trigger and I really like this set up. With a 12 round flush mag, or optional 15 round extended mag (making it g19 height) it is a great combo for a polymer hammer fired gun. It is pricey if you want a red dot though.

 

All the talk of CZ triggers doesn’t really apply so much to the P09 as it uses the Omega system.
While the Omega triggers also aren’t the very best out of the box, they are better than the standard CZ 75 type trigger.
Also tons easier to swap out parts and springs with.

 

I have been carrying a P365 for quite a while and really like it, but I started looking at the 365 Legion - which led me look at to the P229 Professional also, which ended with me leaving the store with the 229. It is just as great as my 226 (Tac Ops) but considerably smaller. It is commander sized, slightly larger than the 365 Legion, heavier, as well - which means it is fun to shoot and train with. I alternate between the 229 and the 365, depending on the environment. I like the 229 better for shooting - nothing against the 365 (which is still easier to conceal).

 

P229.

 

Curious which would you prefer and is the price difference significant enough to sway your choice?

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	Length	Height	Width	Weight
P-07	7.2 in	5.3 in	1.46 in	27.7 oz
P229 Nitron Compact	7.1 in	5.4 in	1.5 in	34.4 oz

Personally, I think the Sig has a better trigger and better grips thanks to the G10s. But it is much heavier and a lot more expensive. It has me thinking.

If I had to chose between those two DA/SA's I'd prefer the CZ to carry and the slightly heavier, bulkier Sig for the range but otherwise I don't like DA/SA's for either choice except for range use where you can cock the hammer for the first shot.

But that's just a matter of personal preference. However, if the CZ could be carried cocked and locked then it would be no contest even if the guns were the same price.

 

Well, the cz can be converted to cocked and locked with the supplied parts, and the 229 legion is available in sao, so the option is available with either.