[dennis3dflyer]

For those that added some things to the barter list thanks,, and yes I,d rather start making friends in the farmland areas now. But down the road I,d still rather have more options open as I,ll never really know where I,d rather be dependingg on the type of shtf.

Some of you current prepping land owners are really knocking this idea / option. But not all land owners think like you and after they can,t use there water well for a week due to no electricity and without an answer from govt, and there almost gunless with worrys of the looting begining to happening and foodless as they really never stored food just farmed some and I show up with a hand retrofit water pump. Mountain House food and guns and ammo. I think I will be GREATLY opening my options on where I can bug out to..

Please add what other Items such Landowners WILL NEED that I can store to barter.

Thanks Dennis

 

[barbedwiresmile]

Farmers have friends. We have kin. We have barns full of stuff. Why would a farmer want someone coming from the city to "bug out" with them? You were never there during a planting or a harvest. And you can't carry much diesel fuel on your back or in your trunk. Never took much interest before. Now you want in? The premise of this thread seems askew.

 

[usmc4641]

Modern farms run on diesel. We also need fertilizers

See what happens when your average city boy starts stockpiling this stuff.

 

[NecoDude]

I know on our farm, if you ask in July to hunt in October, you'll probably be greeted in October like an old friend. Ask in October and you'll most likely be told to hit the road.

Point is, drive around looking for a possible farmer to get to know. Offer to work for free to see "how it's done". Remember to keep your eyes open and mouth shut to learn how to do things. When done for the day see if you can come back to keep learning. Once you think the relationship is solid enough bring up your SHTF plan and ask if they'd like to be part of it, if they say no, well you need to move on and never come back. You won't be welcome.

But straight barter items should you fail to "cultivate" a farm relationship, would be chewing tobacco, smokes, sugar, flour, medical supplies, basic staples that the average farm house goes to town to get.

Ammo is all well and good but there's no way you could know what firearms the landowner has. And unless you have a large vehicle and spend tons of money up front to carry every possible caliber. 22cal is pretty common but beyond that is a toss up.

Good luck.

 

[AK_Stick]

I'd say your best bet, would be to get to know some of them, and prove you're willing to work hard.


And offer them a trade they can use. While they probably have some limited ability to do just about any of it, there's a big difference between a farmer who can weld a little bit, and a welding tradesman.

 

[M1a65]

5lb bags of salt. Your body doesn't last long working in the heat with out some water and a pinch of salt to replenish what is sweated out.

 

[concretefuzzynuts]

I've had a farm and still know a lot of farmers. It's a tight group who will be looking out for each other. Also, we already have a pool of day help who live in our community. Why would we want a bunch of soft hands coming to us from the city? Most big farms have their own fuel storage 500-2000 gal tanks. Do you think they drive their combines to the Texaco to fill up? Be realistic.... Just sayin.

 

[farmer-dave]

If things go bad, I want someone to have a kill-dozer. So stockup on dozers. :supergrin:

I honestly am surprised a farm is where everyone wants to head, I think everyone has been watching too much of that walking dead show. Society is made up of alot of people having skills, I'm a wheat farmer, my gardening skills generally arent the best. My parents are good gardeners, but not all farmers are the be all of food supply. Good idea to make friends with farmers, just like it's a good idea to make friends with a doctor, dentist, horticulturalist, engineer etc.

 

[michael e]

You all are too short sighted. As for me, I intend to have a huge stockpile of toilet paper! I'm gonna bring post SHTF civilization to it's knees! Afterall, no job is done till you do the paperwork!

I am with you, I buy it when the kind I like is on sale. I picked up two 48roll packs. Well the better half did the same thing not knowing I had. It was all in the gun room under my cleaning table. She asked why, said no one wants a ****ty ass , Zombie invasion or not.

 

[blueyedmule]

Friendship. I'm not joking. Don't wait, go make contacts now. If they know you and know you're a good man you're more likely to be welcomed. And be ready to work. WORK. Learn your weapons and tactics, and also ready to be taught. Bring your humility and honor.

Go make friends now. If this is your concern do not wait until it's too late.

 

[Lowdown3]

I've said the same thing before.

Fortunately, the rural vs city folk feud ended on this forum.

But your gonna throw gas on those embers anyways right? :wavey:



To the OP- true bottom line is that if your not KNOWN to someone, LONG TERM, the chances of them trusting you enough to take you in is slim.

And let's forget the fiction story "I have an AR and I'll hire on as security" non sense. Yep, no one else in the world has weapons, especially not rural folks.

Build your relationship with the landowner NOW. That mean much much more than "hey Bill can I leave a tote of ***** at your house that I'll never take care of, check on or pick up but if something happens, I can come here and get it?"

It means cultivating and maintaining the friendship, SHOWING them you know how to WORK (most important aspect), showing them your TRUSTWORTHY, helpful and a good egg.

I'd be more impressed with someone showing up with a shovel, rack and axe than an AR. That person understands the WORK involved in this sort of lifestyle. I can arm them no problem, I can feed them no problem, but if I have to teach them/make them work, then they are WORTHLESS to me.

Prepare to...... work.

Lowdown3

 

[bdcochran]

Thank God I had put down the coffee mug before reading lowdown's posting. I burst out laughing.:rofl:

This rural vs. urban bs will go on forever.:tongueout:

Let me give you a real dimension on this "I'll work on a farm when shtf" stuff. I had a crew come in and plant 30,000 lolly pine trees by hand on my place in Louisiana. Do you have any idea what it is like to plant trees by hand on a humid summer day in Louisiana? Yet, people think that they will roll up their sleeves and go to work. Won't happen. I won't have access to the trees to plant and the volunteer urban labor will quit on the first day.

You know the Schwartenagger movie where it starts with him running up the steps of a temple in southeast Asia? Well, I have gone up those steps as a widower with a 7 year old in tow. It is one thing to go up the steps when you have been living in southeast Asia like the natives. It is another thing to step out of an airconditioned movie trailer and only have to run up for 20 seconds and then go back to the airconditioning. Sometimes, I just know that a lot of movie going, armchair survivalists aren't going to make it when they go to a farm and start digging ditches for a living.:dunno:

 

[Dexters]

But your gonna throw gas on those embers anyways right? :wavey:

??????

 

[jamalski70]

I doubt any of you guys would even get a foot on the property, before a warning shot would breeze by you, or worse shot before you can explain your barting.

 

[arclight610]

Best barter item is to form a gang. Wait until harvest, attack the farm, take the loot.

 

[Dexters]

Best barter item is to form a gang. Wait until harvest, attack the farm, take the loot.

Will your be made up of Whole Foods employees? Will your gang have the knowledge on how to mill grain, bake bread, can vegetables, butcher animals, dehydrate food, and other preservation methods?

 

[arclight610]

Will your be made up of Whole Foods employees? Will your gang have the knowledge on how to mill grain, bake bread, can vegetables, butcher animals, dehydrate food, and other preservation methods?

Nope. I'll just trade it to someone that does know how. You don't have to be an engineer to be a sales rep. Anyways, I do know how to bake bread, can, and dehydrate food. I may have to outsource the butchering and meat processing.

 

[barbedwiresmile]

I'd be more impressed with someone showing up with a shovel, rack and axe than an AR...

Well stated

 

[bdcochran]

:wow:Best barter item is to form a gang. Wait until harvest, attack the farm, take the loot.

It just so happens that when you read recorded history, the campaigns took place at the harvest time. What a coincidence.:whistling:

People planted in the spring, pillaged in the fall, and kicked back in the winter.:supergrin:

Ok. I will live off the land. I will go to a farm in Minnesota, Kansas or Colorado in the dead of winter and offer to barter. Nah, that is too graphic. Instead I will go to Louisiana and live off the land when it is the rainy season (hint, the guy sharecropping my land has a tractor with a track, not wheels for getting around in the rainy season).

The reality is that most of the fresh vegetables in the "offseason" are grown along the Rio Grande. You import strawberries from central Mexico, grapes from Chile, orange juice from Brazil. When Roosevelt was President, one of his educated, urbanized intellectuals advocated a subsidy for pasta growers! And, if you think farming is just a sure thing, think Okie from Fnokie in the depression. When shtf and you go to work on the farm, the mules and the plow are long gone in the US. If you are lucky, you would be given a hoe, rake, shovel and a pair of ill fitting boots and put to work.:embarassed:

 

[Dexters]

Nope. I'll just trade it to someone that does know how. You don't have to be an engineer to be a sales rep. Anyways, I do know how to bake bread, can, and dehydrate food. I may have to outsource the butchering and meat processing.

So the plan is in a world where gangs roam free to pillage is to form a gang raid a farm and then go out exposing yourself to other gangs looking for someone who knows what to do with your spoils?

Are you going to go with a multi-platform, multi-social media approach - cell phone, craig's list, face book, TV infomercials?

I'm intrigued - tell me more.