ok, is the scope on backwards in pic ?
got it, right way but the mount ?

 

what do you think is wrong with it?

 

That’s a Mauser M18.

 

Absolutely not.

the M18 is a modern action. That’s a 90’s series based on the bolt and cocking piece.

Could be either a 95 or a 98, but it’s certainly not an M18

 

What a dumb arse, the perp!! It would have been so much better if someone around him was able to intercede as things started to go off the rails.

Just like that shooter of the medical CEO in NY, a mental condition I can’t even imagine.

 

What would it take for him to remove the barrel/action from the stock before jumping down off the roof. From close observation of the video, whatever he is holding while jumping off the roof appears to be about 2.5' long, wrapped in cloth of some sort - as if the rifle had been broken down into two pieces.

 

What would it take for him to remove the barrel/action from the stock before jumping down off the roof. From close observation of the video, whatever he is holding while jumping off the roof appears to be about 2' to 2.5' long, wrapped in cloth of some sort - as if the rifle had been broken down into two pieces.

You are right, in fact after the jump, you can see him picking something up, prior to the jump, you can see him "throw"something off the roof. Those claiming otherwise are hoping you don't watch the video.

 

In the articles I've seen they say "a .30 Mauser" high power rifle. Mauser currently makes the M18 in various calibers, including .30-06 and 308 Win. For a sniper a 200-yard head shot should not be a big deal at all. Heck, an experienced hunter or target shooter who sights in his scoped rifle should make it pretty easily. I personally believe he was going for a head shot and . . . oops, it turned into neck shot.

 

The origonal leaked ATF document specified a M98 Mauser .

The rest of it is the usual MSM outlets having some combination of being ignorant , and making crap up .

 

As he approaches the edge of the roof, he drops something like a cloth at the corner of the rooftop, but still has something appearing to be about 2.5' in his hand, and as he climbs down. Once on the ground, with the long cloth covered item in his right hand, he stoops to pick up something small on the ground - perhaps a screwdriver - it's something small, about the size of his hand.

It would seem that he separated the stock from the action/barrel, and wrapped them in a cloth, before jumping down. Reports that the weapon was found wrapped in a towel in the woods would be consistent with this. But the FBI has not, to my knowledge, indicated that the rifle was broken down into 2 parts. Perhaps the shooter reassembled the rifle when he was stashing it in the woods? These details may emerge in time.

 

As he approaches the edge of the roof, he drops something like a cloth at the corner of the rooftop, but still has something appearing to be about 2.5' in his hand, and as he climbs down. Once on the ground, with the long cloth covered item in his right hand, he stoops to pick up something small on the ground - perhaps a screwdriver - it's something small, about the size for his hand.

I would seem that he separated the stock from the action/barrel, and wrapped them in a cloth, before jumping down. Reports that the weapon was found wrapped in a towel in the woods would be consistent with this. But the FBI has not, to my knowledge, indicated that the rifle was broken down into 2 parts. Perhaps the shooter reassembled the rifle when he was stashing it in the woods? These details may emerge in time.

Interesting, if he broke the rifle down (basically removed the barreled receiver from the stock before going up to the roof), then reassemble it on the roof, this might explain why his shot was off (assuming he was going for head shot). This rifle was apparently not one designed for broken down routinely. Reassembling (remounting the barreled receiver to the stock) on the roof under those conditions could add variables leading to being off a few inches at distance. And, of course, climbing up there with the pieces in a towel is good way to smack the scope hard enough to throw things off.

 

It’s a 98k so at least that debate is settled.

 

Interesting choice of weapon for a person hell bent on ending a "fascists" life.

 

It’s been identified as a 98k, plenty of those rebarelled to 30-06 in this country. View attachment 1421631 View attachment 1421632
My first hunting rifle, 98k rebarreled by BSA sometime in the 50’s fitted, glass bedded, and free floated to a Winchester Supergrade stock. It IS NOT .313 bore.

It’s been identified as a 98k, plenty of those rebarelled to 30-06 in this country. View attachment 1421631 View attachment 1421632
My first hunting rifle, 98k rebarreled by BSA sometime in the 50’s fitted, glass bedded, and free floated to a Winchester Supergrade stock. It IS NOT .313 bore.

That is an example of beautiful work, I too still have a couple of 98's one in 30-06, I really like the weight of that tube, while the heavy tubes usually shoot truer, they just aren't a pleasure to carry all day. That one is a keeper.

 

Yes, it is a keeper for sure. I actually met the custom smith that built it before he passed away. It may not be worth all that much, but it’s a work of art in my eyes.

 

According to Utah Co. Prosecutor the rifle was originally the grandfather’s, who gave it to the father who subsequently gifted it to the suspect. No other new details about the rifle or ballistics were given at presser. They now say the shooting distance was 160 yards.

 

NYPost is saying it's

But the buttstock and bolt look different.

 

NY Post is brain dead. 100% not a M18. The rifle is a Sporterized Mauser from the 1898-1945 time frame.

 

I have the modern Mauser M18 and Sporterized Mauser 98’s.

 

Scope mounting skills=not a professional.

 

I think he jumped off the back of the building. In that video of him jumping off he was carrying the rifle in the towel. A later video of him walking through a neighborhood it appears he might be limping a little.

 

My understanding is the video of him walking with a limp is before the shooting. Theory is he had the rifle down his pants leg.

 

Yeah, I'd like to know who mounted that scope.
The rings touching the front bell and adjustment block are no bueno.

The only reason a politician wants to ban guns is because they plan on doing things so egregious to the US Constitution they should rightfully be shot

 

He was limping before he ever got on a roof. That video was his approach to the crime. The jump from the roof was after the crime. He clearly wasn't limping after the jump down. He was running.

Notice the front scope mount. It’s nearly pff the receiver. The scope itself is set back in the rings. It must have been loose in the rings and recoil set it back. Poor mounting job. Shooter could have had a ring cut on one brow depending on if he tended to creep up on the stock. I don’t know for sure. It just doesn’t look right.

You might want to take into account that this was a "COLD SHOT". What happened to the scope after is all but irrelevant. Assuming, he used to rifle to sight it in etc, and to practice, that it was mounted as you describe does not necessarily mean your evaluation is correct. Depending on how many shoots were ut through this rifle, it is entirely possible that the scope mount came "loose" although without actually seeing the rifle close up, such is not unfathomable. IT seems that everyone wants to be an "expert".

 

I guess with “Temu” grade equipment he was able to kill one of the most influential political figures of the last 50 years. Tells you a lot about the “required” equipment for deer hunting in North America.

 

Deer hunting is only difficult at times because of the rules established to make it sporting.

If you don’t mind breaking the rules, it’s easy to fill the freezer with deer.

 

They made M-98 Mauser's in 30.06 for a few countries. I had an original made for Brazil , and they also had them in 7mm Mauser that they converted to 30.06. That was done when the cold war was on and we gave anyone that said they hated commies M-1's and Browning machine guns in 30.06.

 

After WWII, during the occupation, some police forces were allowed to convert their m-98s to 3006, this of course was done locally, some of the barrels we "top shelf" beautiful rifling, but they were stepped to reinstall into the m-98 wood-very few of those examples still exist, however; a small cache of un-installed tubes were "discovered" and sold as surplus 35 years ago (somewhere in that area), to be sure, this isn't one of those. The other m-98s made for SA countries, we all fitted to military stocks with stepped tubes.

 

So.. he shot from only 414 ft? That is barley 138 yards!!!

 

I've seen sporters that had the barrels turned down to sporter configuration.

 

Removing a barrel, setting up in a lathe, turning it down, cutting it off, re chambering, adding some barrel threads if necessary, crowning the tube, re bluing, re installing, head spacing all take time and talent, not to mention quality equipment. I would be shocked if the machinist/gunsmith would make any money on this-his time alone would be worth several times more than just buying a new tube. If the finished product was re-chambered in 30-06, the tube itself would make the conversion Out of Spec, as the tube would not meet SAAMI, if it were chambered for 8mm-06 this would be okay, but it is not a SAAMI round. I have no doubt you've seen what you say you've seen, but this practice would have been done out of desperation, as it is by far Not the Best Practice.

 

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So.. he shot from only 414 ft? That is barley 138 yards!!!

NRA Official High Power Rifle Target SR-1 100-Yard Paper 100PK
Official NRA targets suitable for scoring matches or for match simulation during practice. These targets are made of heavy paper and the black is 6 3/8".

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Official NRA targets suitable for scoring matches or for match simulation during practice. These targets are made of heavy paper and the black is 6...

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That was for OFFHAND shooting in the NRA matches that I used to attend (and CMP)

 

NRA Official High Power Rifle Target SR-1 100-Yard Paper 100PK
Official NRA targets suitable for scoring matches or for match simulation during practice. These targets are made of heavy paper and the black is 6 3/8".

NRA Official High Power Rifle Target SR-1 100-Yard Paper 100PK

Official NRA targets suitable for scoring matches or for match simulation during practice. These targets are made of heavy paper and the black is 6...

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That was for OFFHAND shooting in the NRA matches that I used to attend (and CMP)

At the NRA Leg Matches we shoot 200 yard standing, 400 yard sitting, and 600 yard prone.

 

Got to say I had not before seen an 1895 converted to .30-06. Lots of 7.62 CETME, NATO, .308 to debate.

Do you think the FBI does not know the difference between 95 and 98?

 

There’s nothing to suggest his theory has any substance. It’s just the rambling of someone who saw one once.

 

We are operating on supposition at this point. Already we have seen myths debunked pertaining to this horrific tragedy. I am in the camp of taking a deep breath and letting the facts unfold. Meanwhile the YouTube click baiters are playing fast and loose with the truth. Don’t discount the fact that we may never know the truth either. Remember JFK. Remember JFK, Jr. Remember Jimmy Hoffa. Very little I have seen from any of the YouTube Cowboys and Cowgirls makes any sense. If I had to guess, I say the picture circulating around is not the rifle.

 

Deaf Smith
Let up.
You're sounding like a nattering jay.

 

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