Gotta give him respect for keeping his reviews honest, like they used to be before they turned into sellouts! The majority of these "reviewers" do not want to rock the boat in fear of losing money from upsetting said company. I agree, the 320 platform just kinda sucks! I really tried to get into it and sold them all but I love my 226&229, they are keepers.

 

He's reviewed the 320 quite a bit and I just checked out this video of his. Not a bad take on the gun. I have the 320 AXG Pro and like it quite a bit, but it's really the only 320 I really like. I haven't personally experienced the malfunctions he has, but he shoots way more than I do.

Personally, I'd take an M&P 2.0 over a P320, but I would take a P320 over a Glock. That's just my preference of these striker fired guns. The P226 is a great firearm too. I do like that more than the P320, but the modularity of the P320 is a great feature that does not really exist with the 226.

 

Personally, I'd take an M&P 2.0 over a P320, but I would take a P320 over a Glock. That's just my preference of these striker fired guns. The P226 is a great firearm too. I do like that more than the P320, but the modularity of the P320 is a great feature that does not really exist with the 226.

I agree about the M&P M2.0 (I have two of them and no Glocks left at the moment), but I'd rather have a Glock than a SIG P320. I'd also rather have a HK VP9, CZ P10 or a Beretta APX (though the Beretta DA/SA and SIG classic P series are my preference over all of them). I knew the P320 was trouble from the beginning because I used to watch so many YouTube gun reviews back when the P320 came out, and I noticed most of them had bobbles (unlike most Glock videos). If anyone doesn't believe that, I'm sure they can go back and find a ton of them. Even Hickok45 had them. Of course, a couple of years later they had the videos showing the drop safety issue (which I heard about right before pulling the trigger on one).

For the record, there were two videos in particular that were important for me. One showed that it could go off being dropped from at least TWO angles (we always here it was only one). The other video showed in slow motion that the trigger did NOT move at all (proving this wasn't a "trigger" mass issue). In fact, no one ever gave an explanation as to how the striker block failed (I never even heard anyone including the Department of Defense discuss it). The DOD did report that the P320 never passed the MRBS test (along with failing its rough handling testing). The XM18 failed in phase one and the XM17 failed in phase two (which is one of the reasons Glock was upset because the G19x passed the first phase with flying colors before the army violated its own contract rules and picked the P320). Glock is way more reliable than the P320 platform. SIG and the U.S. army are the reason so many law enforcement and civilians picked up the P320, but that's all marketing. Don't get me wrong, the P320 is a good pistol. I just don't think it's the right pistol for the military or for me. It's very accurate and I love the feel of the grip, but that's about all.

 

I thought Sig fixed the drop issue. Has there been recently produced 320s with that issue?
I’d totally have a VP9, PDP, or even a P365xl over the P320 but I’m just not a Glock fan. I’ve had a bunch of them over the years but I could never really warm up to them for one reason or another. Just personal preference.

I do like this guy’s videos and subscribe to him on YouTube. I have to keep in mind that he is much taller than I am and has a larger grip, so his preferences may not be what is good for me. I was surprised he really liked the Walther PPK.

 

Some lawsuits have been settled out of court. Others are pending. Whether or not the latter have any merit I have no idea. I believe the DOD said the drop safe issue was fixed in their very first report in 2018 (for FY 2017), but that the army needed to continue testing along with resolving the issue achieving its MRBS goal (of 2000 rounds). I read everything including last year's report, and to my knowledge, the DOD never made any statements that all the issues had been resolved. That said, the last DOD report I read for the first time didn't mention MHS. But later that year they made that relatively recent purchase of Glocks. Reading between the lines, that doesn't look good for SIG in my opinion.

 

I agree (mostly) and really enjoyed his video. I will agree with almost everything except I’ve had zero malfunction issues out of my p320’s.

 

I really like Honest Outlaws reviews. He also is a really good shooter. I had a 320 compact carry and eventually sold it. I didn't like the grip (feels cheap) nor the grip angle. And yes, the bore axis is ridiculously high. You can get used to it, but then pick up another gun and see what happens. POA is way off.

I think Sig should go back to basics and stick with the original P series metal guns and the 365 series.

 

And yes, the bore axis is ridiculously high. You can get used to it, but then pick up another gun and see what happens. POA is way off.

I think Sig should go back to basics and stick with the original P series metal guns and the 365 series.

I agree. My personal belief is that DA/SA is a superior (safer) action for mid to large size pistols and striker-fired is the most practical application for smaller firearms (largely because of the bore axis). My P229 has a high bore axis, but it is also 34 ounces which makes up for it, and it is highly dependable, highly durable, highly accurate, handles powerful .357 SIG loads better than a Glock in that chambering, and it shoots 9mm like a dream. However, a Glock 43/43x, a Hellcat or even the mighty Glock 26 are still better solutions for micro-nine and subcompact-sized pistols in my opinion.

 

I agree with him, I love my 365s but never took to 320s. The 226 and 229 are in a different class. I’d rather have a p01/75 or a beretta 92 series the the sig 22X series but that’s just me. I’d also take a CZ/Glock/S&W/Hk/Walther over a 320 so take my opinion with a grain of salt. 🤣

 

where's the box that says "I don't give a s--t what he thinks" ?

 

Can you really trust a ginger?

 

who insists on wearing sunglasses while speaking to you?

 

It's all about the Benjamins.

 

I transitioned from shooting Glocks to shooting M&P 2.0 pistols and loved them.

When the optics craze took off I waited seemingly forever for S&W to make a 2.0 version of the CORE.

I finally got tired of waiting and like seemingly half the club competition shooters bought a P320 X5 Legion, topped it with a Leupold Delta Delta Point Pro and started competing in CO divisions.

I have never hated a gun so much…

Finish - The rattle-can battleship gray finish scratched immediately as I polished it with Ren wax. Just from a clot of wax! I always wax my guns and holsters to protect them from thousands of practice and match draws. I’ve smeared a brass punch across the finish of an M&P thinking i screwed up the finish then wiped it off completely with a oily patch. I have an M& P with well over 30K rounds that still looks new after many thousands of draws. The X5 looked worn after a few hundred draws.

The high bore axis and high slide meant the dot was seemingly a foot above my grip. Beyond feeling like a 2X4 in hand, needing to hold the gun down by my beltline so I could pick up the dot at eye level, weighing 3 lbs, slowing draw and transitions, the pudgy pig with tungsten everywhere recoiled way more than an M&P which weighed half as much. Adding weight to a horrible design can not compete with good engineering and ergos.

Reliability wasn’t 100% like every M&P I own and observe, but it just had a few issues after I put the correct spring in it (Purple if I recall)

The moment the 2.0 CORE was released, I bought one and was a much more competitive CO shooter.

The X5 was sold ASAP good riddence. Quite literally the only firearm I’ve ever despised.

 

Agree with him regarding the bore axis.
Simple fix, G19.

 

Sounds like fanboi hate. My Sig 320 is 2X as accurate as my Glock and has a way better trigger. Bore axis? Please its a 9mm...... Besides the ergo's are better. If you don't like the ergo's you can easily change them. You can change the 320 from fullsize to compact and back in a few minutes, try that with a Glock.

 

You can change the 320 from fullsize to compact and back in a few minutes, try that with a Glock.

You can also do that with a Glock 19. It's called a G17 magazine and mag sleeve. And after tax and shipping it's cheaper than buying a new polymer frame. Better yet, you don't have to do anything. It's called a G19x or G45.

 

He is one of the few reviewers I’ve seen which will trash talk a gun. I take his opinion….and it’s a opinion at what it costs me.

As for the 320…I picked it up..thought it was a brick…and put it down. It’s no PDP or VP9.

 

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I watched it and agree with everything he said.

The only one I own is the AXG Pro and never had an issue, but I don’t have that many rounds through it. I do think the bore axis is ridiculous for a striker.

 

I like the Honest Outlaw channel, i tried the P320 out but i didn't care for it.

 

Dangerous opinion but I like my M18.

 

Seems like his whole criticism of the reliability is "1 failure every 1000 or 2000 rounds"... for a "sample size of one".

Ok then.

 

He said he shot quite a few of them though

 

I have a P320, but hated the grip and got a Wilson Combat grip module with the steel weight rods..it makes a difference to me.

 

The aluminum modules feel decent in hand

 

The whole "high bore axis" argument is a gripe for competitors...for the vast majority of people who carry including the military and LE its a non issue. Split times are a competition argument and even then the 320 has won competitions. So it really breaks down into...I can shoot or I can't. I can handle the vicious recoil of a 9mm with a high bore axis or I can't LOL

The drop safe issue was resolved a long time ago.

Reliability is a function of the gun and ammo. Not just the gun. No idea what ammo he runs... My 320 has had zero reliability issues. Its had a small handful of ammo problems--bad primers etc. But run good hot ammo in it and it runs perfectly.

The 320 grip is more ergonomic than any Glock grip. Does it feel as good as say a modular HK VP9 grip? No. But its better than a Glock grip in any version. So again...degrees of variability.

The whole video is a whiney series of complaints that really say nothing more than I don't like it--not my cup of tea.

 

The whole "high bore axis" argument is a gripe for competitors...for the vast majority of people who carry including the military and LE its a non issue. Split times are a competition argument and even then the 320 has won competitions. So it really breaks down into...I can shoot or I can't. I can handle the vicious recoil of a 9mm with a high bore axis or I can't LOL

I feel bore axis also has a lot to do with how well the gun points and, therefore, how enjoyable they can be at the range.

Not saying every pistol needs to be like a Laugo Alien, but the fact that it’s a striker fired pistol with a polymer frame makes a bore that high just silly, in my opinion.

 

I don't hate the P320, I own one, and have shot a few others. It's not my favorite platform. I actually agree with him. Ironically, I love the 365s except for the SAS.

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I had a very early p320 40 compact . back when a compact had a 3.9" barrel !! 6.5" later I bought a P320xc for when I may not want to shoot a 40 and needed an optic . Wrong choice . That pistol was not reliable and had the same type chamber issue the early X5 had . Bulged brass terribly . Sent it home for some tlc and was told the pistol was in spec so I sold them both . Pulled out a older m&p 4.25 40 I got in a family trade and had no range time with . Great Pistol. Thern replaced the optic ready 9mm siggly with a M&P compact 2.0 4" . Great pistols too .

I to think the military and LE screwed up issuing a p320/m18/m17 . There design screw up like the original grip and the later 9mm chamber issues along with CS bs killed me from ever owning another sig

 

I have a P320 - his remarks about not trusting it at the level of Glocks and other guns are something I have said many, many times. Why buy a P320 when I can get a better, more reliable gun for less?

 

Pretty much agree.

Rather than bore axis the ludicrously tall slide just annoys me when shooting. Sure it’s a me issue, but it still annoys me.

XFrame makes the grip decent to good in my hands, can’t stand the original frame, but that basically just gets it caught up to what I already like (Glock, VP9) and adds extra cost.

Modularity is a nothing to me, I dislike messing with frames and swapping the FCU (which feels flimsy to me, did on the 250 too) and would rather just have dedicated guns for each size I want, makes it easier especially if I want to practice with both in a given day.

I almost did trade for a 9mm XCompact a while back, just because the guy wanted the gun I had, and he’s a relative and I had his old duty gun and wanted to accommodate him and whatnot, but luckily we worked the trade for another 365, which I DO like.

Also, yikes, pricing 320 mags make HK look cheap these days.

 

Like most You Tubers, I take what they say as entertainment only. Until I can put rounds down range and see for myself, what they say mostly means nothing to me. For me I have been shooting Glock since the mid 90's, so I have put many rounds down range and have gotten use to the 2 main complaints I hear about the Glock, grip angle and crappy trigger. Both take some time getting use to. Most people don't shoot them enough to really understand or get use to them. Now the P320 to me has a better trigger out of the box compared to the Glock, but I don't carry a P320 and I do agree with the P320 having a higher bore. I like the Polymer 80 grip frames for my P320's, that setup for me is a absolute tac driver. I don't think you can go wrong either way.

 

Like most You Tubers, I take what they say as entertainment only. Until I can put rounds down range and see for myself, what they say mostly means nothing to me.

When someone shoots a P320 on camera and they are having malfunctions, I don't consider that entertainment, nor do I have to wait to test my sample of one personally. If a bunch of people are shooting the gun and having malfunctions, that is data, not entertainment in my opinion unless they're shooting crappy [under powered] ammunition. I feel the same way about people posting drop safe tests. When they filmed the P320 go off from more than one angle, and when they shot slow motion and the trigger did not move, that went beyond entertainment only for me.