I dont really see any value in it for SHTF. If the person isnt really dangerous but might be a threat, handcuffs and/or legcuffs should be enough. If they are dangerous you probably want either something lethal or at least something more effective than a small metal rod.

If you're walking around in a warzone what would you rather have, a stick or a gun? I see why police officers carry them, but I also see why our military sticks to firearms. I dont plan to ever play cop.

 

I own one but only because I got it for 2 dollars at a garage sale.

I dont really see any value in it for SHTF. If the person isnt really dangerous but might be a threat, handcuffs and/or legcuffs should be enough. If they are dangerous you probably want either something lethal or at least something more effective than a small metal rod.

If you're walking around in a warzone what would you rather have, a stick or a gun? I see why police officers carry them, but I also see why our military sticks to firearms. I dont plan to ever play cop.

I wasn't implying anything about playing cop if it came across that way. I was thinking more along the lines of a quiet weapon with the potential to be used to disable or kill (lethal/non-lethal) quietly. It can also be used to gain leverage in certain situations (with objects not people). Good for smashing things (windows, etc.).

Again, just curious what use they may have and if anyone has tucked one away or carries one?

Thanks

-Emt1581

 

Yes...I have several (expandable batons).

I like them because they are fairly quiet, compact, many applications (non-lethal to lethal), other uses as well.


Need to check possession/carry/use laws in your area..

..in untrained hands it can be considered a lethal weapon...IIRC!

 

I wasn't implying anything about playing cop if it came across that way.

Sorry, I didnt mean to imply that. What I meant was batons are most often used to disable or cause discomfort and not kill. I can see the value for breaking windows or prying things but I think a crowbar would more useful, and if worse comes to worse you can always use the crowbar as a weapon.

 

Yes...I have several (expandable batons).

I like them because they are fairly quiet, compact, many applications (non-lethal to lethal), other uses as well.


Need to check possession/carry/use laws in your area..

..in untrained hands it can be considered a lethal weapon...IIRC!

Where do you order them from?

I'd like to pick one up and give it a try.

Thanks

-Emt1581

 

As mentioned, issues that need to be considered include certified training in it's use and the legality of carrying it concealed. If you have obtained recent training, and it's legal for you to carry, it could add value, but...if improperly used, a baton can be lethal, and many states, in their CCW permitting, do not include weapons other than firearms.

 

Opticsplanet has them.

I never realized there were so many different versions and exponentially more accessories for them. Yikes!!

Which to try which to try??

-Emt1581

 

Useless for a lot of applications. If you want a short stick, use a short stick, if you want a baton, carry a baton. When SHTF, who cares if you have a full sized baton on you?

I carried an ASP when it first came out and was the fashionable stick to have as a cop, and then I used it... and went back to the good ole hickory stick.

 

ASP's are crap. Obviously better than nothing, but a good jack is 100x better. You're going to get the same rap if you're caught with one, but an asp is a pain compliance tool. A jack will put someone in a home.

 

ASP's are crap. Obviously better than nothing, but a good jack is 100x better. You're going to get the same rap if you're caught with one, but an asp is a pain compliance tool. A jack will put someone in a home.

The knife will put him in the morgue.

 

....., but an asp is a pain compliance tool. A jack will put someone in a home.

Yes...an ASP can be used as a pain compliance tool..

..or in your words "put someone in a home"..

..or enable someone to meet their maker! :shocked:


Dealer's Choice! :whistling:


It also can accomplish all of the above & more..

.. with a stand-off distance that a sap or knife does not!



YMMV

 

I got one as a present in the 90s, I carry it in my commuter bag as a prep but not for what one might think. We live in earthquake country, and on any given day there's a chance I'll have to walk 15 miles home as the crow flies after a major disaster (if I survive the initial quake). A few months ago I decided to start carrying the Asp baton as an all-purpose tool for rescue, leverage, emergency exit from public transportation...I can think of several scenarios it might be handier to have on me than sitting in the back of the safe. Not too many of them are self defense related, though: with the PPS and two knives on board the Asp is low on the go-to list for me.

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I've used them on duty as well as a civvie, ASP's are not junk. I've beat one that i"ve had for years on cars as well as walls and suspects as few times and it still works fine. I still carry a 26" nickled model daily, i have had to pull it on a few A holes in the last few years but no strike was needed.

 

my $.02, I work in a prison, we have them... However I've never seen one used. Incase of fights they don't even get pulled out. People just fight the way you have your entire life vs trying to use something different.

So if you actually want one, IMO you'd have to get very accustomed to using it to the point where it was second nature.

 

The asp and baton are tools of control and compliance. Tools of the state. No place in an individual preppers toolbox. Unless of course you were thinking of setting up your own state, complete with regulatory and tax regimes. Then you would need batons and a crew of guys to wield them.

 

ASP's are crap. Obviously better than nothing, but a good jack is 100x better. You're going to get the same rap if you're caught with one, but an asp is a pain compliance tool. A jack will put someone in a home.

I've got the large model. That is easily a bone/skull crusher.

However, I think ASPs may be legal to carry in PA whereas blackjacks are not AFAIK.

-Emt1581

 

Useless for a lot of applications. If you want a short stick, use a short stick, if you want a baton, carry a baton. When SHTF, who cares if you have a full sized baton on you?

I carried an ASP when it first came out and was the fashionable stick to have as a cop, and then I used it... and went back to the good ole hickory stick.

+100

I have carried and used several types of expandable batons over the years. Most of the expandable batons are too light to cause any significant "discomfort". They don't come even close to the force you can deliver with a real fixed baton.

They are TERRIBLE for prying. You will end up bending it and then you have a crappy fixed baton.

 

+100

I have carried and used several types of expandable batons over the years. Most of the expandable batons are too light to cause any significant "discomfort". They don't come even close to the force you can deliver with a real fixed baton.

They are TERRIBLE for prying. You will end up bending it and then you have a crappy fixed baton.

I've never carried one. But I do have a cheap one I paid $2 for at a flea market. That thing will break bone!

Saying these things will only cause discomfort makes them sound like toys to me. I can't speak for ASP's but the expandable one I have is good to go....just cheap and no frills.

-Emt1581

 

I've see too many videos where a LEO is beating some large drunken fool with an ASP, and the fool just stands there and laughs at the cop.

 

I've see too many videos where a LEO is beating some large drunken fool with an ASP, and the fool just stands there and laughs at the cop.

Do you have any links?

Again, I can't speak to ASP's but I've never seen such a thing.

-Emt1581

 

1. You google the following words: "are asps legal in pennsylvania". Interesting threads on the subject.

2. You think about what people used before the concept of stocking asp dealers came about. Kids tore off radio antennas on cars.

3. Building on item no. 2. Think about getting hit by a car radio antenna. No, it isn't as cool, threatening and impressive as an $80 heavy piece of junk in your hand. However, it is extremely light weight.

4. The best "weapon" is your brain. Everything else is secondary. Bad guys in the hood carry old fashioned razors? Because they shave more frequently than people in the suburbs? Why do Hell's Angels carry 20 ounce ball peen hammers instead of AR15s? Why do the homeless carry sharpened screwdrivers? Why do old folks (I am almost there) carry a simple stick when they take a morning walk?

5. As the prison guard advised, if you carry a baton, spend the time and money to get very skilled. If you don't, someone is probably going to take it away from you.

 

My buddy went toe to toe with an one-legged homeless dude and he used his ASP and he couldn't win the fight with it, so he just ended up kicking the one leg out from under the guy... it was a bad scene.

 

Yes...I have several (expandable batons).

I like them because they are fairly quiet, compact, many applications (non-lethal to lethal), other uses as well.

:agree:

 

My buddy went toe to toe with an one-legged homeless dude and he used his ASP and he couldn't win the fight with it, so he just ended up kicking the one leg out from under the guy... it was a bad scene.

:rofl:

I would love to see that video!!

 

I've see too many videos where a LEO is beating some large drunken fool with an ASP, and the fool just stands there and laughs at the cop.

Cops have strike rules.In a S/P not so much.'08.