[fredj338]

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New service rifle. Get it now, that is what you are talking about and I am talking about

Point, it isnt really solving a problem, just like switching to 40 from 9 isnt solving a problem, its just spending money. They could convert all their 9s to 40 for a bbl & mags, nothing else would change. Yet they gain little if nothing at all.

 

[bearsftball2003]

You said the new 6.8 in your post

They will use both, front line Soldiers get 6.8 for body armor penetration. If a war started tomorrow we would not have enough ammo, hence why they wanted a modular gun that can swap barrels at the user level. The 6.8 spc would be at the armor level, swap, if that is what you say, but it did not adopt that. You and me are not having the same conversation, you have proved your knowledge level

 

[bearsftball2003]

Point, it isnt really solving a problem, just like switching to 40 from 9 isnt solving a problem, its just spending money. They could convert all their 9s to 40 for a bbl & mags, nothing else would change. Yet they gain little if nothing at all.

Yes, we don't have enough 6.8 for a war. It is still XM7, meaning experimental. You don't even know the difference in that or the round or the weapon

 

[gunowner1]

That guy looks like he just got out of jail after a DWI arrest.

 

[fredj338]

Yes, we don't have enough 6.8 for a war. It is still XM7, meaning experimental

We have had the 308 since 1952 or so. We started Vietnam with it & you just cant carry enough ammo. So this solves nothing. I would rather carry a 6.8spc in a M4 platform. Its lighter, a bit more effective distance than 223, less recoil than 308 & more rds per reload.
Same for 9 v 40. Though the pistol in war is truly a tool to fight your way to another long gun.

 

[bearsftball2003]

We have had the 308 since 1952 or so. We started Vietnam with it & you just cant carry enough ammo. So this solves nothing. I would rather carry a 6.8spc in a M4 platform. Its lighter, a bit more effective distance than 223, less recoil than 308 & more rds per reload.
Same for 9 v 40. Though the pistol in war is truly a tool to fight your way to another long gun.

The 6.8 spc was not adopted, it is not a new weapon for the military, glad it is not your decision. Lessons learned, and for future battles. It does not penetrate body armor like the 6.8 x 51

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[bearsftball2003]

I did say if. The spc was also designed for the military as well. Going to a 6.8x51 solves nothing, just go back to the 308. After all we have all that ammo for the 240, m60 & gatling guns. More military useless spending.

Newsflash the 240 and 249 are being replaced by XM250 in the 6.8x51, which shoot farther and faster than the 556, 6.8 spc. They also weigh about the same as the 308

 

[Matteo1371]

So this solves nothing.

The 6.8x51 was adopted to address near peer armor. The 7.62x51 NATO is not considered capable of penetrating a near peers body armor. Basically it’s the US military’s answer to possible conflicts with Russia, China or N. Korea.

 

[Matteo1371]

Newsflash the 240 and 249 are being replaced by XM250 in the 6.8x51, which shoot farther and faster than the 556, 6.8 spc. They also weigh about the same as the 308

I thought the 338 Norma Magnum was also getting pressed into service in a few lightweight medium machine guns?

 

[bearsftball2003]

I thought the 338 Norma Magnum was also getting pressed into service in a few lightweight medium machine guns?

Yes, SOCOM. It might be replacing the M2, not entirely sure.

 

[MarkCO]

A few fired cases ended up in my possession.

The only interesting thing to me is that running at 55Kpsi (well short of the max rating of 80Kpsi) the case life is about 10 times what a 6.5CM case life would be.

 

[Pwhfirefighter]

I've heard it said the use of JHP in the military was for SOF to use in ops against terrorism. The rational was the Hague conventions didn't apply since it was not a declared war. IDK if that is legit or not, but that was the rumor back when I was kicking around with military folks.

USAF Security Forces now use hollow points for pistols. At least stateside anyway. Can’t attest to overseas, but know for a fact they do CONUS.

 

[Railsplitter]

Ok, who is this guy & why would you think he has a point? He thinks the military adopted the p365? I agree, 9mm ball sucks, but 40 isnt really any better, neither is 357sig. If you must use solids, its only 45acp. Pistols in the military are way down the list of necessities Imo.

Agree the .45 is bigger and the 357 Sig with more velocity would be better to penetrate heavy clothing and or gear worn by soldiers also a longer effective range.

 

[Railsplitter]

Remington UMC 180 FMJ-
.
Late production, two gallons of water and an inch into a phone book-

I've seen this frequently enough from this load--including its earlier, copper jacket variety-

-to be convinced it isn't a fluke.

In my world a thin-jacket flat point 40 FMJ, which occasionally deforms is 'better' than pointy 9mm ball that doesn't.

And finally- Pistols in the military are way down your list of necessities. Veterans from my family alone used handguns in combat five times, from WWII to The Sandbox.

Pistols are also way down the list of civilian necessities, but we carry them anyway.

I have seen multiple gel tests on Gun Sam's channel where a larger diameter .40 FMJ got much more penetration than a 9mm FMJ. Which would you want to carry into battle.

 

[Sandspider500]

Well, the DOD is moving back to the common sense direction.

 

[fredj338]

Newsflash the 240 and 249 are being replaced by XM250 in the 6.8x51, which shoot farther and faster than the 556, 6.8 spc. They also weigh about the same as the 308

Yet the ammo is still in stockpile right? Military is just spending $$ they dont really have, solving a problem that yet hasnt developed.

 

[bearsftball2003]

Yet the ammo is still in stockpile right? Military is just spending $$ they dont really have, solving a problem that yet hasnt developed.

Again, you show your ignorance, 6.8 is a new round, sig built an ammo facility to meet the demand it is being stockpiled as we speak. Man brush up on current events. Also, the weapon is still experimental and has not been adopted yet.

 

[bearsftball2003]

Yet the ammo is still in stockpile right? Military is just spending $$ they dont really have, solving a problem that yet hasnt developed.

I feel bad for you, you have not had a true statement since arguing with me.

 

[fredj338]

I feel bad for you, you have not had a true statement since arguing with me.

You have just missed the entire point of relevance, which is factual. We have 308, 223 & 9 stock piled. Its more economical to just upgrade the weapon platforms & new ammo purchases. Doing all new calibers & platforms means spending even more money to stock pile something new, which isnt really needed. As long as you feel good bear, all that really matters.

 

[bearsftball2003]

You have just missed the entire point of relevance, which is factual. We have 308, 223 & 9 stock piled. Its more economical to just upgrade the weapon platforms & new ammo purchases. Doing all new calibers & platforms means spending even more money to stock pile something new, which isnt really needed. As long as you feel good bear, all that really matters.