Sig Sauer should've follow the example of Glock with their three safety features. Then they would not have all these lawsuits from accidental discharges.
Sig Sauer has still not learned how to make a safe and reliable striker-fired handgun
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I’ve been rotating my g43/hellcat and shield plus. All my Sig’s are collecting dust for the foreseeable future.
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The P320 has legit probs, I think. The P365 in a reasonable holster, no. The G32, 19, 26, moreso no. It's that 'moreso no problems' that gets people to be into that safety zone.
On the contrary, I like Glock quite well. I carried a Glock for 2/3 of my career, teach Glock and own several. Having said that, I think it's important to critically view the pros and cons of any brand. Same with Sig. The P320 'issue' is more media created than actual problem. On the flip side, I disagree with Sig making it a voluntary upgrade rather than a recall. I also disagree with them settling out of court on some cases. Not because they were guilty of anything (it's a common tactic to save money in legal fees and Glock has done the same thing) but because it's led to a damaging perception overall.
No, that wasn't the point I was trying to make. I'm not saying Glocks go off 'by themselves'. Rather that like Glock discharges, the Sig issues is also from a foreign object getting into the holster and depressing the trigger. That is indicative to any striker-fired pistol because of the (generally) lighter trigger pull, shorter trigger travel and lack of an external hammer to indicate the trigger is being depressed like on a hammer-fired pistol.
In terms of the catastrophic failures I was referring to is examples like the slides flying off G19's during live fire as well as the Gen 3/4 WML issues on the 40S&W models. As I've noted in other threads, St. Petersburg PD had three G22's suffer catastrophic failures during the same OIS which resulted in the entire agency ditching both the G22 and G23. These are just a couple of examples.
So the overall point is that both Glock and Sig make good striker-fired pistols but that also both have had cases of discharges due to the trigger being depressed by something in the holster. Or from someone having unsafe gun handling practices. It's important to note that several of these cases against Sig have been dismissed (or Sig won) and that Officer's have been disciplined/terminated as a result of unsafe practices and lying during the investigation.
As of right now, no post-upgrade P320 that has been properly examined by a qualified professional (or more than one) has been found to be defective or responsible for a discharge. That is an important point that can't be overlooked.
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You don't ever discuss the technical issues that the P320 series has somewhat less safety built-in technology. Can a fully cocked striker be fully safe? With redundant features for sure, like the XD series. Can some of those be down to mm defects with the P320? I think maybe. The safety factors on the P320 are a bit too low IMO. They're probably very safe. I guess it's a matter of how you want how safe. Glocks are ultra safe without a trigger pull and P320's are just safe.On the contrary, I like Glock quite well. I carried a Glock for 2/3 of my career, teach Glock and own several. Having said that, I think it's important to critically view the pros and cons of any brand. Same with Sig. The P320 'issue' is more media created than actual problem. On the flip side, I disagree with Sig making it a voluntary upgrade rather than a recall. I also disagree with them settling out of court on some cases. Not because they were guilty of anything (it's a common tactic to save money in legal fees and Glock has done the same thing) but because it's led to a damaging perception overall.
No, that wasn't the point I was trying to make. I'm not saying Glocks go off 'by themselves'. Rather that like Glock discharges, the Sig issues is also from a foreign object getting into the holster and depressing the trigger. That is indicative to any striker-fired pistol because of the (generally) lighter trigger pull, shorter trigger travel and lack of an external hammer to indicate the trigger is being depressed like on a hammer-fired pistol.
In terms of the catastrophic failures I was referring to is examples like the slides flying off G19's during live fire as well as the Gen 3/4 WML issues on the 40S&W models. As I've noted in other threads, St. Petersburg PD had three G22's suffer catastrophic failures during the same OIS which resulted in the entire agency ditching both the G22 and G23. These are just a couple of examples.
So the overall point is that both Glock and Sig make good striker-fired pistols but that also both have had cases of discharges due to the trigger being depressed by something in the holster. Or from someone having unsafe gun handling practices. It's important to note that several of these cases against Sig have been dismissed (or Sig won) and that Officer's have been disciplined/terminated as a result of unsafe practices and lying during the investigation.
As of right now, no post-upgrade P320 that has been properly examined by a qualified professional (or more than one) has been found to be defective or responsible for a discharge. That is an important point that can't be overlooked.
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The Sig P320 may be considered by some to be safe, but in reality, its just not safe enough.
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Im looking at the P365 380 for my cousin and I, but we are getting them with the manual safety.
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It's a bit of a shame. Add a trigger safety to it, and a bit more specs to the sear disconnect and trigger block and and you're Glock safe.
We're talking about P320 failing maybe 1 in 100 thousand vs millions, but there is a weakness to the P320's design I think.
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And there’s thousands of liberals saying the vaccine didn’t do anything to them so it’s perfectly safe.
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Difference is you can buy dozxens of quality gun makers that don't have any problems, namely Glock 26. Heh. Or FN Reflex. P365, Hellcat.
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Reflex is to new and people cry about the long reset, the hellcat is a tank and the 365 well it’s showing issues if it’s own lately. The 26 is a great gun but it’s way to thick for comfortable for iwb carry here in FL.
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G26 and G32 For the absolute wins for IWB. The micro 9's are still, imo too new. If I had to pick, I like the FN Reflex.
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Over the old and vetted 43 and shield? I live where tank tops are a must almost 100% of the year. I can’t carry fat boys around without printing. I wish I could carry a p01 365 days a year.
There are some nice pistols in that pile. Good for you.
Upper right in first pic would be my choice.
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Do you think you could be a victim of these bashing threads ?
If at some point a qualified expert examines a P320 involved in an incident and determines that X, Y or Z is the issue then it's definitely a conversation to discuss. At this time though, it simply hasn't happened.
Everyone has their level of safety for sure. Personally, I prefer hammer-fired pistols. And any striker-fired pistol I carry is one with a MS (P365X and XL personally). While I like my Glocks just fine, they are now assigned to HD roles so they aren't carried.
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Safe or not safe, the damage has been done! I personally will never own a sig!
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