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Here we go again...

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Nothing wrong with my four P320 and two p365 with no ND at all, they only fire when I point them in the direction of targets and pull the trigger.

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There are some nice pistols in that pile. Good for you.

Upper right in first pic would be my choice.

 

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An armorer's working knowledge does not equate to being a mechanical engineer, no more than a mechanic is an automotive engineer.

You mean when automakers start getting reports of a possible issue with one of their vehicles they don't put a team of mechanics on it?!

On a serious note, sometimes especially with corner case type of issues it might take the actual engineers months or even years and multiple attempts to sort things out. It might take months just to figure out how to consistently reproduce the issue and why some units are affected while others aren't.

If Sig has done or is doing any serious work on trying to reproduce the issue I think it would probably benefit their image to share that info whatever the results. Even if it's just here's everything we've tried, we just can't get it to happen. They need a better PR team at this point.

 

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It's such a ridiculous concept that a pistol could discharge, just sitting there.

Sure. Completely ridiculous to even think that a mechanical device could possibly fail under certain circumstances.

 

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Absolutely possible for a human-made machine to fail.

Then you agree that it's not ridiculous to consider that possibility.

That's the only thing I disagree on with the post I responded to. The assertion that it's ridiculous for anyone to even consider that a possibility.

I have no dog in this race. I don't have a a P320, never wanted one. So whether they have an issue or not doesn't make any difference to me. I also don't want any gun manufacturer to fail or be driven out of business whether I like their product or not.

I will however disagree with anyone who states that there is no possibility that a mechanical device can both be within specifications and still malfunction under rare and highly specific circumstances.

There's always a lot of talk of critical thinking in these threads but critical thinking seems to involve agreeing completely with zero room for doubt...

 

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It's always a possibility. I think it's a valid point that if the pistol in question hasn't been properly examined by a qualified person/entity then any conclusion is speculation. And the only logical course is to go with the preponderance of the evidence. In this case, every P320 that has been examined has been in serviceable condition and not defective according to those that conducted the investigations.

What did those investigations consist of exactly?

I assume you must know, I on the other hand have no idea.

Was it just a teardown, inspection and reassembly?

Or was there more to it?

What exactly have they subjected these pistols to in an effort to duplicate? Vibration, impact, torquing, etc. ?

I honestly have no idea. Maybe you could link to a source?

Apologies if it's already been posted and I missed it.

 

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Depends on which investigation you're referring to. The Pasco SRO as one example had Agency certified armorers, FDLE certified armorers and Sig armorers (from Sig Sauer). They examined the P320 in question as well as the holster and circumstances of the discharge and tried to recreate the incident. They of course examined video and other testimony. All three entities cleared the weapon of malfunction/defect. And of course the Deputy admitted he was playing around with the pistol and had a habit of doing so and was terminated.

Other investigations varied depending on if we're talking about the Officer that wrapped his P320 in a towel and tossed it in a gym bag or the female Officer that tossed her P320 in her purse (not designed to carry a weapon).

Hmm.

I've read all that across multiple threads.

That doesn't really answer my questions though, at all.