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Yep, 200gns @ or near 1000-1100fps is a '.40-level' 10mm load, ... also known as 'junk ' 10mm ammo, suitable for plinking at best.

Said 'junk' 10mm ammo is marketed by unscrupulous vendors seeking to separate 10mm fans/users from their precious ammo-$$$. :upeyes:

A legit 200gn 10mm load should be doing a minimum of 1200fps MV, typically as vetted from a 5" barrel, and better still if does that from the 4.6" factory barrel of a Glock 20.

Don't settle for watered-down .40-crapola ammo masquerading as '10mm' ammo, 'cause it ain't. All you're getting for your $$$ is downloaded performance from a more expensive case. :whistling: You know you're better than that. o_O

For real 10mm factory ammo, go with BB, DT, or UW. :thumbsup:
Did you leave out Sellier & Bellot by accident .... or intentionally?
 
Did you leave out Sellier & Bellot by accident .... or intentionally?
Neither, because I've never shot it.

If you're telling me that S&B produces real 10mm ammo, I'll have to try it out. Thanks.
 
I bet 2 to the chest would kill ya dead. Heck, I bet one could probably do it. Then again, so will lots of 9mm, 38, 40, 45, etc loads. I bought a 10mm for fun, and this one doesn't scream fun to me. I don't think I'll buy any of this stuff, and stick with hotter rounds in 10mm.

Thanks for the test info!
 
Neither, because I've never shot it.

If you're telling me that S&B produces real 10mm ammo, I'll have to try it out. Thanks.
In my limited experience S&B is pretty good stuff.

I feel that their 200gr "kick" is on par with the Underwood 140gr XPs, and since the XPs are much more expensive.... I punch paper with the S&Ps.

I checked a lot of other ammo and like the metrics of S&P in charts I made. The S&P 180gr hit 1165 fps from a 5 inch barrel.

I've got a fistful of 3x5 cards with all the quick specs on then for a while bunch of different ammo, and I take them with me when I go bullet shopping.
 
In my limited experience S&B is pretty good stuff.

I feel that their 200gr "kick" is on par with the Underwood 140gr XPs, and since the XPs are much more expensive.... I punch paper with the S&Ps.

I checked a lot of other ammo and like the metrics of S&P in charts I made. The S&P 180gr hit 1165fps from a 5 inch barrel.
For the 180gn bullet-weight in 10mm, 1250fps from a 5" tube is upper midrange, with 1350fps being full-throttle.

So a 10mm 180gn load @ 1165fps is actually barely above .40-level, ... maybe not even.

I'd rather save my coin and reload a real 10mm 180gn load.
 
If that particular 200gr bullet fully expands at 1000 fps, what exactly is the point of an additional 200 fps? To make the petals curl backwards and decrease maximum expanded size? To create more blast and recoil, to give the full 10mm experience that only real men can understand? Unless you’re trying to crack Grizzly Bear skulls, it may not be necessary to load defensive rounds to their maximum potential velocity. Looks like a beautifully performing self defense round to me.
 
DT used to have their FMJ practice load 180 @ 1250. Maybe they still do?

Agree this Speer 200 gr. is too underpowered. If it was a solid 1150 or +125 FPS faster, it would be decent. I'll probably save a box and pull the other 80 to load to 1200 for SD.
 
If that particular 200gr bullet fully expands at 1000 fps, what exactly is the point of an additional 200 fps? To make the petals curl backwards and decrease maximum expanded size?
Dude, ... :upeyes: ... For one thing, you don't need a 10mm to get '200gns @ 1000fps.' You can get that in factory .40S&W ammo from DT. They market three 200gn .40 loads, all doing 1050fps/490fpe, as tested in a G23. In fact, one of those is a hardcast load. See:

http://www.doubletapammo.net/index.php?route=product/category&path=303_341

Where's the sense in paying for downloaded performance out of the more expensive 10mm case? It's a .40-load masquerading as '10mm ammo.' Junk. :upeyes:

Heck, if I want to shoot .40-level ammo, I just grab an aftermarket (LWD) .40 barrel in my parts bin, swap it into either my G29 or G20, load up the mags with real .40S&W ammo, and head to the range.

To create more blast and recoil, to give the full 10mm experience that only real men can understand?
Okay sweetie, if you can't handle the high-performance '10mm experience,' then just stick to pistols chambered for the .40 or 9mm. :whistling: Look, I get that some 10mm guys like to shoot or plink with the low-power stuff in the .40 range. To me, that's a waste of money (why I got the aforesaid LWD 'drop-in' 40 tubes), and it's not why I've been carrying and shooting 10mm pistols since the late 1980s.

The full-throttle 10mm is very accurate, has better sectional density than the .45acp, and combined with its velocity offers superior penetrative capability against intermediate barriers. The claim of excessive 'blast and recoil' is overrated. If you practice and train with your 10mm pistol (a G20, for example), felt-recoil is quite manageable and really no worse than a .45 1911 firing stiff hardball loads.

The 10mm is even a better round now than when it was introduced in 1983. That's due to the advent of modern hybrid propellants that yield higher velocities with less pressure than what Norma loaded back in the day; far superior bullet-technology over what was available in commercial ammo in the '80s; and the availability of modern hardcast bullets that are poly-coated for use in autoloaders, which eliminates the leading issue (important w/ Glock barrels) and aids in feeding and chambering due to the 'slickness' imparted by the coating. The coated HC 10mm ammo with heavy slugs (200gns/220gns) is ideal for a penetrating defensive load when out in the boonies, hiking or camping.

Unless you’re trying to crack Grizzly Bear skulls, it may not be necessary to load defensive rounds to their maximum potential velocity. Looks like a beautifully performing self defense round to me.
It's junk '10mm' ammo - being a '10mm' only on the box-flap. :popcorn:
 
I sure appreciate 5pins doing these tests, and sharing the results with us. Yea, not a full power load, but with today's bullet technology, maybe it doesn't have to be. I've chronographed the Buffalo Bore 180 JHP in a 5" barrel. It averaged 1380 FPS. I suspect this, and the 200 @ 1200-1250 loads, might be toward the upper end of what is safely achievable in factory 10mm loads, given today's litigious society......

BTW, I can see how some shooters, especially newer ones, might look at ballistics charts and wonder why bother with 10mm, when .40 S&W loads seem so close to some 10mm ballistics.
 
Dude, ... :upeyes: ... For one thing, you don't need a 10mm to get '200gns @ 1000fps.' You can get that in factory .40S&W ammo from DT. They market three 200gn .40 loads, all doing 1050fps/490fpe, as tested in a G23. In fact....
Keep flapping your gums... The gel test was for SD ammo brainiac, for which the numbers are stellar.

Yes, we can load and buy rounds that blow through the perp, the guy standing behind him, and even, possibly, the guy behind him. Not really the design criteria of SD rounds.

I should know a thing or two, because I've tested a thing or two: http://10mm-reloaded.com/load_data/10mmAllPowders.html
 
Keep flapping your gums... The gel test was for SD ammo brainiac, for which the numbers are stellar.
Stellar for .40S&W.

Yes, we can load and buy rounds that blow through the perp, the guy standing behind him, and even, possibly, the guy behind him. Not really the design criteria of SD rounds.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Who's the brainiac?

Now we're back to '80s-style myth-spreading: "Yep, the mean ol' 10mm will over-penetrate the bad guy and end up in that baby carriage way down the street."

Sure. Happens everyday. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 
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Stellar for .40S&W.

:rofl: :rofl: Who's the brainiac?

Now we're back to '80s-style myth-spreading: "Yep, the mean ol' 10mm will over-penetrate the bad guy and end up in that baby carriage way down the street."

Sure. Happens everyday. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Hey, it was 1:30 in the morning and I was trying to keep up with the 10 pages thread!
 
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