[thewalk]

I have lost faith in sig since buying a 320 last year and a stainless elite 229 that would not cycle. The 320 to me was just plain garbage in my 30 years of shooting pistols. I will sit back and watch the circus and the monkeys play!

I haven't commented on this whole 365 hysteria, because I don't own a Sig. I do work near the FLETC training facility in Brunswick, GA and have had extensive conversations with the facility managers. They only offer Sig and Glock. The managers have told me repeatedly that the Sigs have to go back (for repair) for issues (broken springs or other internals) after an average of 750 rounds, whereas Glock pistols go 10,000 rounds or more with no issues. They were astounded when the military chose Sig over Glock for this very reason. I guess we can get some real reliability data once the military trials are over. I just hate to think of trusting the lives of American military in wartime to a firearm with questionable reliability.

 

[AB_43]

I can't wait to see how people like the new Sig. I'm a big Glock fan. That said, I think Sig has a potential huge home run here. The marketing, model designation, capacity, dimensions, striker fired. All of this seems promising. Maybe Glock will respond with the next generation of the G26 being slimmer to compete? That would be really cool.

 

[Chuck Hustmyre]

Military contracts are not always awarded to the "best." Many times there are a host of other factors that go into the decision. Remember, the last time the Army chose a pistol it was the Beretta 92, which now, every vet who used one, especially in the desert, says was a piece of ****.

Almost every SOF unit, especially those in SOCOM -- Special Forces, Rangers, SEALs, and MARSOC -- have all adopted the G19 as their pistol of choice, and they could have picked any pistol in the world. To me, that says more than Big Army picking the Sig.

That said, most of my LE career I was issued a Sig P226 and had no problem with it. It was a good, reliable pistol.

 

[crockett]

Is that caliper made of plastic?!

 

[Dog Soldier]

I am an old gun hand. I have never heard of getting a Doctor's diagnosis before buying a handgun? I have heard of many requiring a Doctor after being shot with a handgun.

 

[Low_Speed]

I haven't commented on this whole 365 hysteria, because I don't own a Sig. I do work near the FLETC training facility in Brunswick, GA and have had extensive conversations with the facility managers. They only offer Sig and Glock. The managers have told me repeatedly that the Sigs have to go back (for repair) for issues (broken springs or other internals) after an average of 750 rounds, whereas Glock pistols go 10,000 rounds or more with no issues. They were astounded when the military chose Sig over Glock for this very reason. I guess we can get some real reliability data once the military trials are over. I just hate to think of trusting the lives of American military in wartime to a firearm with questionable reliability.

Since you have not experience and your information from this company is second and third hand maybe you shouldn’t have commented here either. The P320 is fine and the military has gotten a great pistol. Military pistol training is a whole different matter.


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[Low_Speed]

I can't wait to see how people like the new Sig. I'm a big Glock fan. That said, I think Sig has a potential huge home run here. The marketing, model designation, capacity, dimensions, striker fired. All of this seems promising. Maybe Glock will respond with the next generation of the G26 being slimmer to compete? That would be really cool.

Glock will respond how they always respond, by selling almost the exact same guns with slight modifications and then taking away those same modifications every other generations. Gen 6 will add the finger grooves back. [emoji6]


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[Chuck Hustmyre]

Since you have not experience and your information from this company is second and third hand maybe you shouldn’t have commented here either. The P320 is fine and the military has gotten a great pistol. Military pistol training is a whole different matter.


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So he can't comment? Can you comment on "military pistol training?" I can, and when I was in the Army in the 80s, pistol training was a joke. We still used the one-handed sideways pistol stance, like we were dueling with smoothbores.

 

[MD357]

I haven't commented on this whole 365 hysteria, because I don't own a Sig. I do work near the FLETC training facility in Brunswick, GA and have had extensive conversations with the facility managers. They only offer Sig and Glock. The managers have told me repeatedly that the Sigs have to go back (for repair) for issues (broken springs or other internals) after an average of 750 rounds, whereas Glock pistols go 10,000 rounds or more with no issues. They were astounded when the military chose Sig over Glock for this very reason. I guess we can get some real reliability data once the military trials are over. I just hate to think of trusting the lives of American military in wartime to a firearm with questionable reliability.

Sounds like "fake news."

 

[Low_Speed]

So he can't comment? Can you comment on "military pistol training?" I can, and when I was in the Army in the 80s, pistol training was a joke. We still used the one-handed sideways pistol stance, like we were dueling with smoothbores.

He refrained from commenting on the 365 because of lack of experience so he should stick with that when passing on uncorroborated information. Especially not knowing anything about the history and maintenance of the pistols used. Yes, I can comment on the military pistol training and it sounds like they hadn’t changed very much between the time you were in and I was in in the mid to late 90s. From the videos that the Army have recorded of the Troops shooting the M17 it hadn’t changed.


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[Chuck Hustmyre]

Sounds like "fake news."

That does sound a bit strange. I graduated from FLETC and don't know what a "facility manager" is. Also the agencies determine what their agents carry, not anyone at FLETC. Since most federal LE carries Glocks, and some carry Sigs, the information is probably about right, although even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and again.

 

[Gary W]

Come on guys give the Doc a break if he was doing prostrate exams on all of you, you'd be concerned about finger Length and width and a 1/16th might make a difference IMHO (no slam intended Doc).

At any rate I'm going to wait and see what the P365 feels and handles like, If I like it I might buy it, if not, I wont but my bet is they will sell a butt load of them (pun intended).

Gary W.

 

[Chuck Hustmyre]

I love me some prostate jokes

 

[MD357]

That does sound a bit strange. I graduated from FLETC and don't know what a "facility manager" is. Also the agencies determine what their agents carry, not anyone at FLETC. Since most federal LE carries Glocks, and some carry Sigs, the information is probably about right, although even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and again.

Federally, I'm not sure who carries what anymore. I know locally, that some depts. carried Sigs for years, no issues. I've owned and know the history of the old P series guns. But 750 rounds... average? LOL. Not believing it. I'd say that about a vast majority of quality platforms on the market, whether I like them or not, they'll do 750 rounds.

 

[Chuck Hustmyre]

I know ATF, DEA, and FBI issue Glocks. I don't know about the others. USSS may still use their Sig .357s. I have read that 65% of US cops carry Glocks.

 

[vaguru]

I was surprised by the new P365 10 rd capacity, but then I wondered why? I had a KelTec P-11, carried for years. It was 11 rds, but trigger was not the best. So when I tried the Ruger LC9S Pro, I changed. I lost 3 rds in capacity but gained the great trigger and hitability.

I probably should have considered the Glock option (G43) in that size a bit more closely, but I'm very pleased with the LC9S Pro. I prefer its trigger pull over my Glocks.

 

[Dr_fast]

Dr. Fast, in the photo of you measuring the Glock with the calipers, what models is that?

Photos are of me measuring my G26.4

 

[erichp]

Ah...4 pages and the whole time I was thinking to myself why no mention of the LC9S....and boom you beat me to it by a couple minutes.

I love Sigs marketing acumen. They do that better than most anyone today.

The LC9S is thinner and less bulky, thinning at the grip, with a pretty nice factory trigger as vaguru mentioned. Appears a tie or maybe a tick lighter than the all mighty 365 spec I have found. But some how its glazed though it is a very popular EDC. Not sure how Sig is managing to have people (media) compare to only the other larger blocky form factors.

 

[weemsf50]

The department I am with issues G22's to patrol, G23 to plainclothes (that is me as Chaplain), and G27's to the upper level staff. I expect us to go to the FBI Glock pistol in 9MM next time we are issued guns.

 

[Joseph Onufrak]

I am a doctor and a researcher. I tend to approach things from a very factual attitude. I’m not criticizing people who say they don’t like Glocks because they don’t fit their hand because that’s important. But, Glock seems to have the best dimensions to capacity ratio’s of anyone or people don’t generally outdo them in that department. They also seem to have drawn a line that they will not cross pertaining to minimum barrel lengths. My research shows that if anything needs to be long it’s the barrel. I appreciate Glock for doing that. That having been said, how did Sig outdo them in this category with the P365? It is a physical science principle that bullets occupy space. You can’t do what is physically impossible. I am strongly suspecting,and when you look at the second video, it appears that the handle of the pistol is about the same dimension in width ( at about 30% down the grip ) as a G 26. That would explain how they can get a double stack magazine the size of a G 26 in there. Otherwise, it’s not possible because of physics. If you measure the slide on the video when they show you the night sights from the back then measure the grip width, if you assume the slide with that 1 inch as they say, and use math and a caliper to measure the grip width it appears to be in the approximately 1.16 inches area. May continue to get wider below what we can see. And, that would make a nice comfortable round grip to fit your hand. G 26 is 1.18. So that would make this gun a shorter barrel G 26 frame with a G 43 upper . What do you think?

My complaint about the G43 is the trigger not the other design features which I like very much. My trigger finger seems to be sensitive and I prefer the trigger in the 9mm S&W shield. However, I think you analysis was excellent.