I don't know if I'm posting in the right place. I am soon to join a gun club and they have some silouette competitions there. I am looking closely at either the Glock 35 (5.3" bbl) or the Glock 24 (6" bbl) barrel in .40 cal. to use for such competitions. Might anyone know about which of these might be the best for such use -- such as whether the longer barrel would exceed limits in certain kinds of competitions? Thanks. Joe
Which Glock Pistol (24 or 35) for Competition?
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I don't know if I'm posting in the right place. I am soon to join a gun club and they have some silouette competitions there. I am looking closely at either the Glock 35 (5.3" bbl) or the Glock 24 (6" bbl) barrel in .40 cal. to use for such competitions. Might anyone know about which of these might be the best for such use -- such as whether the longer barrel would exceed limits in certain kinds of competitions? Thanks. Joe
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jhertzler - assume you're comparing the G34 (9mm) to the G35 (.40S&W). Both have 5.31" barrels. Unless you have other reasons (use .40 for carry pistol caliber, availability of ammo, etc), I would recommend the G34 for competition, due to the lighter, less snappy recoil. There's a lot of other factors, and those more knowledgeable than me on this forum can advise, but I find the G34 easier to shoot. Easier for me is defined as quicker to return to point of aim on second and subsequent rounds.
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This forum is specifically for GSSF competitions.
If you're doing anything else, you might want to get this moved to the "General Competition" forum.
But all thing considered the same.... if power factor is not a consideration, using something with the least recoil (and cheaper ammo) makes sense. Obviously that's the 9mm.
People use the .40 guns if they want to shoot Major PF in USPSA Limited or L10 divisions for example. The 9mm guns rule production division where Minor PF is all that's required.
If you're doing anything else, you might want to get this moved to the "General Competition" forum.
But all thing considered the same.... if power factor is not a consideration, using something with the least recoil (and cheaper ammo) makes sense. Obviously that's the 9mm.
People use the .40 guns if they want to shoot Major PF in USPSA Limited or L10 divisions for example. The 9mm guns rule production division where Minor PF is all that's required.
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I just shoot 9mm, and I've shot both the 34 and 17L. I would have been happy with either but got a great deal on a barely used 17L so I bought it.
jhertzler, the 24 will not fit "In the Box" so certain competitions will rule it out. That might make the 35 your choice.
drb1611, the 24 is the Long Slide version of the 35. Never seen one in person but Summit has them.
http://summitgunbroker.com/24.html
Dave
jhertzler, the 24 will not fit "In the Box" so certain competitions will rule it out. That might make the 35 your choice.
drb1611, the 24 is the Long Slide version of the 35. Never seen one in person but Summit has them.
http://summitgunbroker.com/24.html
Dave
I actually assume you do mean 35 or 24, and in GSSF that choice won't matter - either way you are limiting yourself to 2 divisions - Competition and Unlimited.
In IDPA or USPSA, the 24 won't fit in the box and can't be used at all.
You need to read the rules for any competition you figure on shooting - now or in the future - to realize the potential limitations. As Ron said, post on the General Competition forum for answers not relating to GSSF.
BTW, I have a 24 and a 17L and never shoot them. It was a matter of want for those, not need, because they are unnecessary or illegal in the competitions I shoot.
ETA: There may be a division where you can use that 24 in USPSA, but I don't think so. Regardless, when you play with the big guns, you usually play with the big shooters and fancy raceguns.
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jhertzler
Let me try to 'clear the air' for you a little.
I compete in seven (7) different shooting competition sports
and use my G24 and G17L in five (5) out of the seven (7). I
can use a G35 also in the five (5) shooting sports as well but
you can also use the G35 in a number of other Divisions/Categories
within these five (5) shooting sports. Basically you can compete
with the G24/G17L in a smaller number of Divisions/Categories but
you can use the G35 in all of the aforemented Division/Categories
as well as numerous other ones. This all depends on the
'Requirements' of said Division/Categor within that Shooting Sport.
To Wit:
GSSF:
You can use the G35 in the 'Competion' and 'Unlimited' Divisions/Categories.
You can use the G24/G17L/G35 in the 'Competition' and 'Unlimited' Divisions/Categories.
Power Factor (PF) in not a consideration. (to my knowledge.)
USPSA: (See ron59's post #3 for good info.)
You can use the G35 in the 'Production' Division/Category because they have a
box that your gun must fit in. Also you must have at least a 125PF (Minor).
You can NOT use the G24/G17L in the 'Production' Division/Category as it does
NOT fit in the box and they are not on the Production List. Period
You can use the G24/G17L/G35 in the 'Limited' Division/Category while paying attention
to the requirements of Minor and Major Power Factors. Shoot Major as the scoring
is better for the competitor. There are changes/additions to the gun that can be made
to be more competitive.
You can use the G24/G17L/G35 in the 'Limited 10' Division/Category while paying attention
to the requirements of Minor and Major Power Factors. Shoot Major PF as the scoring
is better for the competitor.There are changes/additions to the gun that can be made
to be more competitive.
You can use the G24/G17L/G35 in the 'Open' Division/Category. This is the 'Big Boys/Girls'
Division. To be competitive requires numerous modifications to your gun. Can you be
competitive with a 'stock' gun in this division, just ask Bob Vogel, he can but I can't.
MultiGun: (a division of USPSA)
You can use the G24/G17L/G35 in the 'Tactical' Division/Category which follows the
requirements of the USPSA 'Limited' Division for the pistol.
STEEL CHALLENGE: (No Power Factors other than the 'Stop Plate' will be set at a 120PF.)
You can use the G35 in the 'Production' Division but NOT the G24/G17L.
You can use the G24/G17L/G35 in the 'Iron Sight' Division.
You can use the G24/G17L/G35 in the 'Open' Division but the same comments as the
'Open' Division in USPSA holds true.
NRA ACTION PISTOL (Bianchi Cup):
You can use the G35 in the 'Production' Division/Category. Minimum 120PF.
Maximum 5.35 inch barrel.
You can use the G24/G17L/G35 in the 'Metallic Sight' Division/category. Minimum 120PF.
Maximum 6.25 inch barrel.
You can use the G24/G17L/G35 in the 'Open Modified' Division/Category. Minimum 120Pf.
Same comments as the 'Open' Division still holds true.
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Sorry to be so long winded but I see this type of question asked many times on different
forums so I felt I would take the time to outline some of the areas that I am
familiar with. Please understand that I believe the information that I have imparted
is true and correct to my belief and knowledge and I am sure that if it is not I will be corrected.
The only difference from the G35 to the G24 & G17L is approximately 0.7 inch longer
barrel which in turn gives you that much more sight radius.
I will convey just one thing and that is I buy a lot of guns and whenever I bring a
new gun home my wife (who does NOT shoot, doesn't care to shoot) always has to
handle/hold the gun. With all of my guns I have always gotten the comment from her
of "that's nice" and she gives it back to me except for the G17L and the G24, with
her comment being "now that is the gun you want to shoot, it handles so nicely".
So, whatever shooting sport that I compete in if I can use the G24 or G17L I will
as for me I tend to agree with her. Your mileage may vary!
Jake
Let me try to 'clear the air' for you a little.
I compete in seven (7) different shooting competition sports
and use my G24 and G17L in five (5) out of the seven (7). I
can use a G35 also in the five (5) shooting sports as well but
you can also use the G35 in a number of other Divisions/Categories
within these five (5) shooting sports. Basically you can compete
with the G24/G17L in a smaller number of Divisions/Categories but
you can use the G35 in all of the aforemented Division/Categories
as well as numerous other ones. This all depends on the
'Requirements' of said Division/Categor within that Shooting Sport.
To Wit:
GSSF:
You can use the G35 in the 'Competion' and 'Unlimited' Divisions/Categories.
You can use the G24/G17L/G35 in the 'Competition' and 'Unlimited' Divisions/Categories.
Power Factor (PF) in not a consideration. (to my knowledge.)
USPSA: (See ron59's post #3 for good info.)
You can use the G35 in the 'Production' Division/Category because they have a
box that your gun must fit in. Also you must have at least a 125PF (Minor).
You can NOT use the G24/G17L in the 'Production' Division/Category as it does
NOT fit in the box and they are not on the Production List. Period
You can use the G24/G17L/G35 in the 'Limited' Division/Category while paying attention
to the requirements of Minor and Major Power Factors. Shoot Major as the scoring
is better for the competitor. There are changes/additions to the gun that can be made
to be more competitive.
You can use the G24/G17L/G35 in the 'Limited 10' Division/Category while paying attention
to the requirements of Minor and Major Power Factors. Shoot Major PF as the scoring
is better for the competitor.There are changes/additions to the gun that can be made
to be more competitive.
You can use the G24/G17L/G35 in the 'Open' Division/Category. This is the 'Big Boys/Girls'
Division. To be competitive requires numerous modifications to your gun. Can you be
competitive with a 'stock' gun in this division, just ask Bob Vogel, he can but I can't.
MultiGun: (a division of USPSA)
You can use the G24/G17L/G35 in the 'Tactical' Division/Category which follows the
requirements of the USPSA 'Limited' Division for the pistol.
STEEL CHALLENGE: (No Power Factors other than the 'Stop Plate' will be set at a 120PF.)
You can use the G35 in the 'Production' Division but NOT the G24/G17L.
You can use the G24/G17L/G35 in the 'Iron Sight' Division.
You can use the G24/G17L/G35 in the 'Open' Division but the same comments as the
'Open' Division in USPSA holds true.
NRA ACTION PISTOL (Bianchi Cup):
You can use the G35 in the 'Production' Division/Category. Minimum 120PF.
Maximum 5.35 inch barrel.
You can use the G24/G17L/G35 in the 'Metallic Sight' Division/category. Minimum 120PF.
Maximum 6.25 inch barrel.
You can use the G24/G17L/G35 in the 'Open Modified' Division/Category. Minimum 120Pf.
Same comments as the 'Open' Division still holds true.
---------------------------------------------
Sorry to be so long winded but I see this type of question asked many times on different
forums so I felt I would take the time to outline some of the areas that I am
familiar with. Please understand that I believe the information that I have imparted
is true and correct to my belief and knowledge and I am sure that if it is not I will be corrected.
The only difference from the G35 to the G24 & G17L is approximately 0.7 inch longer
barrel which in turn gives you that much more sight radius.
I will convey just one thing and that is I buy a lot of guns and whenever I bring a
new gun home my wife (who does NOT shoot, doesn't care to shoot) always has to
handle/hold the gun. With all of my guns I have always gotten the comment from her
of "that's nice" and she gives it back to me except for the G17L and the G24, with
her comment being "now that is the gun you want to shoot, it handles so nicely".
So, whatever shooting sport that I compete in if I can use the G24 or G17L I will
as for me I tend to agree with her. Your mileage may vary!
Jake
Yep, good info. Let's see if it withstands the scrutiny of GTers.
In IDPA, everything has to fit in the box and guns are geared to normally 'carried' SD guns so the 24 wouldn't make it.
What type of silhouette shooting?
I think all the different shooting disciplines have been addressed except NRA hunter pistol metallic silhouette. In that case I would opt for the longest barreled pistol.
I have been shooting the 24C in GSSF in competition division and it is my favorite. I keep trying other models such as the 34, 17C, 17L but I keep coming back to the 24C. With a lightly loaded 135 or 150gr. bullet with the porting it shoots flatter than either the 34 or the 17L and the added benefit of the longer sight radius I can shoot it more accurately than any of the 9's. I can usually shoot the other two stages nearly clean with. It is slower on the plates though but not by much, I usually run about 14 secs. on stock and 15 with competition. I HATE PLATES:steamed:.
In USPSA I put a storm lake barrel in it for USPSA limited division.
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The last match I shot I used a 17 in every division. I actually liked shooting the same gun all day and I think there are some advantages to doing so. That said I think the faster cycling of the 34/35 sized guns gives them the advantage over the 24/17L.
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Yes, Jakeh. Thanks for your detailed and thoughtful answer and for all of you guys' responses. Very helpful!
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Thanks for your interest in the 'silouette competitions.'
Actually, I have no idea yet. I am trying to join a local gun club, and I am told that silouette shooting is part of what they do. I am anxious to learn more. I'm sure there are various forms this might take. I looked it up a bit on-line, but it remains to be seen what these guys do. There may or may not be restrictions on barrel length, etc. I should wait to see, as the longer barrels (6 inch) my be the best bet. jrh
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My first thought when you say 'silouette competitions' is the match where steel animal shaped targets are shot at various distances up to 200 yards away with handguns (farther with rifles). http://www.nrahq.org/compete/silhouette.asp
You won't find many Glocks being used at these matches....
Click for more info-> http://dwcollectors.org/archives/99
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Butch, looks like I would use my G30 for that. :rofl:
And probably knock down a set in 3.5 seconds, a half second slower than Butch! :wow: :whistling: :tongueout: :rofl:
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I have the same guns in 9mm, the 34 and 17L. The 17L is mostly a safe queen. I have found that in action shooting it swings too slowly from target to target for me.
Basically for ACTION shooting with transitions from target to target, I have found a Goldilocks situation. The 17 is a little short on sight radius, the 17L is too much and swings like a baseball bat, and the 34 is Just Right.
In silhouette, it is going to come down to sight radius, your ability to hold the gun steady and which you like best. Long range plinking, my 17L is my choice.
If I could only have one, it would be a toss up between 34 and 17 with the 17 a little easier to conceal.
Basically for ACTION shooting with transitions from target to target, I have found a Goldilocks situation. The 17 is a little short on sight radius, the 17L is too much and swings like a baseball bat, and the 34 is Just Right.
In silhouette, it is going to come down to sight radius, your ability to hold the gun steady and which you like best. Long range plinking, my 17L is my choice.
If I could only have one, it would be a toss up between 34 and 17 with the 17 a little easier to conceal.
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