[BIGBOY61]

I appreciate the posts in the 10 ring corner. Learning a lot from everyone's experience with their 10mm.

I am doing my research into this platform and I am pumped into picking up one of the above models. Been shooting for a long time and I do own a pimped out G26 and have owned a G21 and G30 models, so I am very familiar with the Glock format.

The G20 model I choose is not going to be used for CCW. My G26 is for that. My use would be for general home defense and range time. I do not hunt, so that rules out option!

I own a several 44 mag revolvers, so I suspect that the 10mm would be a tad bit less in recoil. So, I am not shying away of 10mm cartridge itself.

I have tried to rent a G20\G29 at several local gun ranges, but no one has one to rent much less have 10mm ammo on the shelves. Gun ranges here in NOVA require that if you rent their pistols you have to use their ammo.

My question for the learned here is this...for my purpose described above what is your opinion on whether it would be advantageous in the G20C or the G20 standard? Pros and cons would be appreciated!

Thanks to all.

 

[arushus]

I was in the same position a month ago

I had been leaning towards the 20C for a while, for more controllability, until some guys on here told me about the issues with night blindness that can arise from that big flash in your face at night, that, combined with the worry that it may be too big for my hand led me to decide on the 20SF the day before I went to the gunshop to order it. The recoil really isnt bad, and I knew I could always buy an extended, ported barrel from lone wolf distributing if i felt i really needed the compensation. But when I did decide to order a barrel, I went with the .40cal conversion barrel so I could practice with it cheaper...just my two cents...

 

[BIGBOY61]

I was in the same position a month ago

I had been leaning towards the 20C for a while, for more controllability, until some guys on here told me about the issues with night blindness that can arise from that big flash in your face at night, that, combined with the worry that it may be too big for my hand led me to decide on the 20SF the day before I went to the gunshop to order it. The recoil really isnt bad, and I knew I could always buy an extended, ported barrel from lone wolf distributing if i felt i really needed the compensation. But when I did decide to order a barrel, I went with the .40cal conversion barrel so I could practice with it cheaper...just my two cents...

Arushus,

Good points to consider about the flash issue at night.

I know that I will get a LW conversion barrel to be able to shoot the .40 cal. I like the ability to shoot another caliber without buying an entire pistol.

I appreciate the two cents!:embarassed:

 

[Hogpauls]

Hey Big, I'll let you shoot mine (20SF) and I'll supply the ammo but I keep the brass. It might be a long drive for you though. :supergrin:

If you are shooting the 44 mag just go for the 20, recoil is very managable. If you reload skip the 40 conversion barrel and load some light 165 grainers.

 

[BIGBOY61]

Hey Big, I'll let you shoot mine (20SF) and I'll supply the ammo but I keep the brass. It might be a long drive for you though. :supergrin:

If you are shooting the 44 mag just go for the 20, recoil is very managable. If you reload skip the 40 conversion barrel and load some light 165 grainers.

LOL!!

I could use some time away while Irene takes a bite out of our $*@holes here!

I will get back to reloading for sure. I sold my old Lee Progressive many years ago. Reloaded for the 44 mag. I am going in blind in buying a 10mm without so much as firing a single round first, but I think I will be ok.

A nice project pistol to test, modify, and reload for. Just gathering as many tips and suggestions to narrow my decision!

 

[oceanbob]

Welcome...!!:wavey:

Get the Glock 20SF...not the C model. The problem is more than flash. The problem is Flaming Dirt in your face/eyes especially with certain reloads. :supergrin:

The Glock 20 is not a hard kicking weapon. If you've ever shot a SW .357 magnum, the 10mm in a Glock platform kicks much less.

Getting back to reloading is a great option with 10MM. You can download your bullets to .40 levels and plink or bump it up for whatever you need.

(I also have a .40 conversion barrel mainly because .40 is getting cheaper to buy in bulk)

But I also reload 155 grainers with .40 power levels for light duty plinking and range work.

Have fun and nice meeting you..!

Bob

 

[leeward419]

Get the Glock 20SF...not the C model. The problem is more than flash. The problem is Flaming Dirt in your face/eyes especially with certain reloads. :supergrin:

I dont think you would have any problem with the "C" with regards to flash or blowing debris, it is the noise....I have a ported 357 SIG...I dont recall seing anykind of flash when shooting it, although bystanders see it.....low flash carry loads are low flash loads, but damn the noise is incredible.....One of the Glock annuals had a story re A police dept spent a year evaluating the "C" versions, they found no issue with them as patrol or backup weapons for their dept.......If you fired one in an enclosed or semi enclosed space or area, I beleive you would suffer hearing loss

 

[inspectorjj]

I agree with oceanbob but for different reasons. I don't believe the 20C has big enough ports to warrant the purchase. I like the external ports, but, My setup is for hunting and home protection, not CCW. So the flash to me is irrelevant since I don't reload and haven't seen a big ball of fire out of Swamp Fox. If I had a G29, I doubt if I would have ports at all, external or internal.

 

[Audiobear]

I went for the 20SF and bought a LW 6.6" barrel and compensator. You have to think of the 20 as a platform that you can figure as you desire -- there are many, many options and few are permanent changes. You can easy switch options. It's like having dozens of different semi-autos.

I haven't noticed any bigger flash with the LW compensator screwed on but I shoot in daylight, night might be different. I don't have any problem with flaming dirt. i always wear ear protection and with muffs on and plugs in there is no difference in sound levels that I can discern. I don't shoot in crowds or let people stand next to the barrel when I shoot so I don't think anybody else would notice the difference either from 5-10 feet behind me.

People say a lot of things about compensators. It all comes down to individual preferences and where, when and how you use your 20. For target shooting I really like the compensator and i wouldn't be afraid to use it for other purposes. I'd hunt with it if I hunted with handguns. But I would sure never try to stuff it in my waist band or boot -- ouch.

 

[21Carrier]

Quit thinking, buy a G20SF. Absolutely no doubt. The G20/21SF frame feels perfect. I would own a compensated Glock, but NEVER in 10mm. I've shot a few C models, and the perceived loudness is about twice that of a normal pistol. You can FEEL the shock of the muzzle blast. It's like standing next to someone (and slightly ahead of them) while they fire. You can literally feel your clothes shake. This may not be a big deal with a 9mm, but with a 10mm, it is. Plus, MANY 10mm loads create flash. You will see the twin spouts of fire with a G20C.

Also, being hit by bits of debris from the ports is a real concern. My biggest concern would be firing from retention. Imagine holding the gun at waist level right near your hip. You are gonna catch some blast right in your face. Finally, I have never noticed a large difference in recoil reduction. In my opinion, the C models are for target ONLY. I just don't think the SLIGHT amount of recoil reduction is worth the extra noise and potential for getting hit with blast.

 

[arushus]

LOL!!

I could use some time away while Irene takes a bite out of our $*@holes here!

I will get back to reloading for sure. I sold my old Lee Progressive many years ago. Reloaded for the 44 mag. I am going in blind in buying a 10mm without so much as firing a single round first, but I think I will be ok.

A nice project pistol to test, modify, and reload for. Just gathering as many tips and suggestions to narrow my decision!

Embarrassingly, I went into it blind also, meaning I hadnt so much as held one before I decided, however, with the exception of not holding it I did my research more than thoroughly, on here and other places, so I was very confident going into it that I was getting a gun I would like...but I was wrong, I dont like this pistol, I absolutely freaking LOVE this pistol! Its the perfect platform...Its the biggest glock makes so it can handle any ammo you can throw at it! Being able to convert it to .40cal if I needed was probably the biggest selling point for me in the end. How could I go wrong? If it ended up being a caliber I didnt like, or was too expensive, or was going out of production, Id always at least be able to get .40cal for it!

 

[Audiobear]

Maybe there's something special about the LW screw on compensator as opposed to ported barrels. It does have side and top ports which is somewhat different than a port (call it a muzzle brake maybe), but it reduces recoil, has no particularly bright flash, doesn't make dirt fly, and doesn't sound any louder than a 10 mm. Sorry but that's an actual eyewitness account. People around it just anxiously wait their turn to take a few shots.

 

[G33]

G20C is easy to make into a G20 with just a new barrel.
Not the reverse.
:wavey:

 

[arushus]

G20C is easy to make into a G20 with just a new barrel.
Not the reverse.
:wavey:

very true, and a good point! So what it basically comes down to is the grip size issue...If they made the 20C with a Short Frame, I probably would have jumped on that without thinking twice...so if you really want to be sure, you'll probably have to hold a full size 20 and a short frame 20 back to back...

 

[BIGBOY61]

Great points from everyone here. I appreciate it. Some variables mentioned that I did not even consider, that is why I go to the learned crew here.

I have read also that the G29 also performs well. I will keep that in mind for CCW, if that ever arises. For now I want to concentrate on the full size 10mm and if I likey likey..........most assuredly a G29 will fit into my collection as well!!

I look forward to reading all the many posts here and from the great The 10 Ring knowledge base.

 

[21Carrier]

very true, and a good point! So what it basically comes down to is the grip size issue...If they made the 20C with a Short Frame, I probably would have jumped on that without thinking twice...so if you really want to be sure, you'll probably have to hold a full size 20 and a short frame 20 back to back...

Yeah, although I didn't emphasize it in my post, that would be the major deciding factor for me. I think the SF frames are MUCH better than their regular counterparts. I think the difference is especially pronounced in the full-size frame. Since you can't get a G20SFC (or would it be G20CSF?), I wouldn't want one. And I even have large hands. I thought there would not be a big difference for me, but there is. The SF guns are the ones to get.

I have said before that I wouldn't trade my G29 for ANY gun. I was wrong. I would trade it for a G29SF.


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[THE PUNISHER]

Yeah, although I didn't emphasize it in my post, that would be the major deciding factor for me. I think the SF frames are MUCH better than their regular counterparts. I think the difference is especially pronounced in the full-size frame. Since you can't get a G20SFC (or would it be G20CSF?), I wouldn't want one. And I even have large hands. I thought there would not be a big difference for me, but there is. The SF guns are the ones to get.

I have said before that I wouldn't trade my G29 for ANY gun. I was wrong. I would trade it for a G29SF.


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mostly I agree about the sf models and its a MUST have in the G29 for me, as a defensive pistol but I wouldn't trade my G20c for anything....the wow and ooh factor is awesome, and add a barrel swap and there you go.
For me the G20c is a two hand shooter and the G29sf one handed.

ok I added my 2 cents....did I tell ya about the WOW factor?

 

[BIGBOY61]

Fortunately I live in a State that love their handguns, Virginia. The next gun show up here in NOVA area is at the end of September.

The gun shows usually have good prices on the firearms. It will be then I will get my G20. The WOW factor won't be until I get to the range and let off a few rounds.

In the meantime I have on order some modification items that I will add to the G20.

Another question for the 10 Ring......in regards to Recoil Spring Weights.

My reading shows various spring weights for the G20. The recoil spring assembly weights, 11lb up to 22lb, are inserted to handle the type of ammo you are shooting.
However, I do not see a graph or chart that advises what spring weight is best to use for the various 10mm ammo.

Any recommendations would be helpful. I am aware that the G20 factory spring weight is 17lbs.

 

[oceanbob]

The stock 17 pound spring works well with everything. Leave it alone.!

 

[rcd567]

At my neighboring PD (Omaha, NE) the last several academy classes were made to buy the 21C. They've got around 720 officers of all sizes, sexes, and race. For whatever reason the 40 S&W round has not been a good fight stopper. They went from Gold Dot to Federal's HST. Now they are promotting the 45acp. Because of the power factor especially with smaller officers, the "C" model was adopted.

Haven't heard of any issues yet.:dunno: