[AustinTx]

When I saw my first P220, from Germany, I couldn't believe it was a gun with a stamped, sheet-metal slide and breech-block held in by a roll pin. I reckon the worst part was the price as high as a quality gun, like the H&Ks. I actually went to the local gun store, with the specific intent of buying a P220 and came home with a H&K USP 45ACP.

 

[Andrewsky]

breech-block held in by a roll pin

Really?

 

[raven11]

Really?

the older Sig 220, 228 were stamped steel

in fairness HK had rifles that were made from stamped steel .. G3... cough cough

 

[Andrewsky]

the older Sig 220, 228 were stamped steel

in fairness HK had rifles that were made from stamped steel .. G3... cough cough

Is the breech block really held in by a roll pin? I sold my P228 so I can't remember.

 

[raven11]

Is the breech block really held in by a roll pin? I sold my P228 so I can't remember.

I hope Cobra64 logs on later tonight, I never detail stripped my 228 in the off chance i forget how to put it back together

 

[AustinTx]

I hope Cobra64 logs on later tonight, I never detail stripped my 228 in the off chance i forget how to put it back together

You don't need to do a detail strip. You can see the pin in the slide.

 

[Andrewsky]

You don't need to do a detail strip. You can see the pin in the slide.

I kind of thought that was the firing pin retaining pin. No?

 

[bowtie454]

The newer Sigs might have nicer fit and finish. I think many of us here don't care about that. We like the older Sigs because we want a rugged and reliable combat pistol.

The fact that a lot of the newer Sigs don't work right is just made even worse by the new bizarre styling trends. Instead of paying people to come up with tens of pointless color combinations maybe they should work on reliability and durability.:whistling:

I have to know, what is wrong with all black???:dunno:

This is a new Sig, by contrast:

Yeah, that's what gun owners need. White grips, a silvery slide, and a pointless beavertail that makes the gun a half inch longer.

Evidence of this? Is this an apples to apples comparision (i.e. German P226 vs. US P226) or are you comparing a German P220 to some new Sig design built in America? The OP asked specifically for more than just opinion and hearsay. Also, picking out the gaudiest Sig from the catalog as an example of all US-made Sigs is a pretty cheap shot, and adds nothing to the discussion.

 

[crazymoose]

Is the breech block really held in by a roll pin? I sold my P228 so I can't remember.

They were, and it was never a problem. I'm not the world's biggest SIG fan, and I've seen more than a few cracked rails and cracked frames. However, I've never seen or heard of a failure of the breach block. It's a non-issue.

What I will say about the German SIGs is that they were much better balanced guns than the American ones. A machined stainless slide is now used to beef the gun up for .40 and .357 SIG chamberings, but I find that this really makes the pistol feel unbalanced compared to the stamped models. The only things the new SIGs have over the old ones (besides a bunch of small parts from China) is that the rusting issue is no more.
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[jolly roger]

My Sig 220 ST Deutschland made. This gun has fired 2.5 inch groups at 50 yards..and embarassed a couple Les Baer and Wilson 1911 owners. Best money I have ever spent on a gun.

 

[bac1023]

My Sig 220 ST Deutschland made. This gun has fired 2.5 inch groups at 50 yards..and embarassed a couple Les Baer and Wilson 1911 owners. Best money I have ever spent on a gun.

That's some great shooting.

 

[AustinTx]

They were, and it was never a problem. I'm not the world's biggest SIG fan, and I've seen more than a few cracked rails and cracked frames. However, I've never seen or heard of a failure of the breach block. It's a non-issue.

You are pretty much correct, about that. I've never seen or heard of any problem caused by that. IOW a non-issue.

 

[Andrewsky]

Evidence of this? Is this an apples to apples comparision (i.e. German P226 vs. US P226) or are you comparing a German P220 to some new Sig design built in America? The OP asked specifically for more than just opinion and hearsay. Also, picking out the gaudiest Sig from the catalog as an example of all US-made Sigs is a pretty cheap shot, and adds nothing to the discussion.

I don't care what the OP asked for. You all can go to Sig Forum and do a little informal survey of all the people who have bought the American Sigs and hate them. Asking for complete statistics is nothing short of ridiculous. None have existed, exist, or ever will exist for firearm quality and reliability.

If Sig would stop spending resources coming up with effeminate styling themes I would not mention it.

 

[AustinTx]

I don't care what the OP asked for. You all can go to Sig Forum and do a little informal survey of all the people who have bought the American Sigs and hate them. Asking for complete statistics is nothing short of ridiculous. None have existed, exist, or ever will exist for firearm quality and reliability.

If Sig would stop spending resources coming up with effeminate styling themes I would not mention it.

I'm OK with that. American or German, I just don't like sigs.

I carry a Glock model 31, in 9mm Magnum. Never did like the 357 sig.:snoopy:

 

[bowtie454]

I don't care what the OP asked for. You all can go to Sig Forum and do a little informal survey of all the people who have bought the American Sigs and hate them. Asking for complete statistics is nothing short of ridiculous. None have existed, exist, or ever will exist for firearm quality and reliability.

If Sig would stop spending resources coming up with effeminate styling themes I would not mention it.

My mistake. I didn't realize asking a simple question about a specific firearm brand was verboten in the General Firearms Forum. I guess I also didn't realize that when someone opens a thread on a topic, he/she shouldn't expect people to try come up with an honest answer to the question but instead be prepared to listen to other posters rant about whatever the hell they feel like, telling everybody that if they don't like it, they can go somewhere else.

 

[AustinTx]

My mistake. I didn't realize asking a simple question about a specific firearm brand was verboten in the General Firearms Forum. I guess I also didn't realize that when someone opens a thread on a topic, he/she shouldn't expect people to try come up with an honest answer to the question but instead be prepared to listen to other posters rant about whatever the hell they feel like, telling everybody that if they don't like it, they can go somewhere else.

It's not so good, sometime. You are right. I guess it's just a necessary evil, that we have to learn to tolerate, here on GT. Some folks get too riled up, about trivial stuff, don't understand the problem(issue), or are just plain nasty.

I don't see that you needed to try to justify one of your posts. It's whatever it is and maybe valuable to someone.

 

[P30]

I've only owned a German made P226. Never had any problems with it.

 

[craig19]

Are all the new 226s sold in the US made in the US?