That’s what most here say to break in your 9mm

 

Yup, when I first got my M9, it was jamming with Blazer ammo. The Winchester NATO stuff cycled it 100%. Good stuff.

 

It's good ammo.

 

Good stuff.

 

Yep, good stuff. I've shot about 10k of it back when PSA was selling it for $170/1000 in the pre-covid years. Still have another 5k squirrelled away. I loved it for running comped guns. Not quite as much oomph as Gold Dot 124+p, but closer than any other I've tried.

 

Though packaged differently than what was shown I've used this in a Sarsilmaz SAR9. Only other difference being what I used is rated at 1200 FPS on the box. It ran fine and you could just feel that it had a bit more HP than typical commercial practice fodder. Ejection distance was also a few feet more.

 

That's the ONLY Winchester I'll use.

 

I would use it over 115gr wwb.

 

it is not +P which I would avoid, great ammo to shot. little more energy since nato.

 

i shot some of this out of my PSA AK-V. i was surprised at that it wasn't much faster than blazer brass 124 FMJ. i thought it would have been +P

 

Blazer is good ammo but underpowered a little, even Federal 124gr is hotter than Blazer 124gr which same company now I believe. Nato Winchester is great, I wish it is always available. Nato is not P+.

 

For off-the-shelf ball ammo, it's my favorite practice ammo. NATO ammo tends to run hotter than typical 9mm and thus closer in performance to many self-defense choices. No, it's not +P.

 

I wont waste the $$ on WWB anymore id buy that though(if i couldnt already get it cheaper..meaning 124 grain)

 

The BEST practice ammo. I have used it since I could no longer find inexpensive Fed 9BPLE for practice.

 

That velocity did not look right so I checked a box I had at home. My box lists 1200 fps at muzzle and the 1140 at 25 yards.

 

At the very least it makes for nice brass to reload.

 

Good to go.

 

Yes! I got a little over 300 of it thru my 26.5 now. Flawless. After I get to about 500 or so, I will get rid of some of the 115 stuff I have lying around. I think it runs well. My opinion of course.

 

This has been the standard U.S. military ball ammunition for the last couple of decades, until the recent introduction of the M1152. I seem to remember that it originally had a velocity out of full-length service pistols like the M9 of over 1200 fps, but in recent years it seem to run in the mid-to-high 1100s out of the same length. It's listed as NATO, and there is a warning about it being higher pressure than ordinary 9mm Parabellum. Unless there is something odd about the powder, I will make a guess from the safety of my armchair that it falls between just a bit more than typical American 9mm commercial and quite a bit less than full +P. I have some and it seems to be good quality stuff. The newer M1152, on the other hand is definitely +P, and actually gets over 1300 fps from an M17 (a bit less from M18s and other shorter autos). It features a flat-nosed 115 grain FMJ, and probably gets about as much "smack" as you're going to get from ball. Haven't shot any of mine yet, but it should zing out of my 17L!

Hope this helps!

 

9MM nato

 

Real NATO 9mm is generally pretty hot. I have several cases of it, but don't like to shoot it in my good guns.

 

This almost sent me down a rabbit hole of "Ohmagersh my Glock IS my good gun, heavens to Betsy" but then calmed down and said:

 

Though packaged differently than what was shown I've used this in a Sarsilmaz SAR9. Only other difference being what I used is rated at 1200 FPS on the box. It ran fine and you could just feel that it had a bit more HP than typical commercial practice fodder. Ejection distance was also a few feet more.

That velocity did not look right so I checked a box I had at home. My box lists 1200 fps at muzzle and the 1140 at 25 yards.

Yes. Agree with all that indicated it is GTG.

There are two different Win NATO labeled muzzle velocities. One is 1140 fps like the OP. The other is 1200 fps as G17G3 and Stevekozak mentioned.

The 1140 fps definitely was packed as shown in the OP and are what I rec'd when I ordered a half or full case. Fuzzy but IIRC the 1200 fps was packaged in something like 250 round packs.

I've had and shot both side by side. Both functioned well. The guns that I compared them in, mostly showed some preference in group precision with the 1140 fps version. As someone said, Win NATO are crimped primers. So I tend to shoot it at an indoor range where I don't feel like picking up brass. Or when I collect it outdoors, throw it in the brass recycle.

Lately, I've tried the Winchester Super Suppressed. It has 147 gr bullet at 950 fps labeled velocity. Group precision was better with Win SS vs. NATO in 2 of 3 9mms and equal in the 3rd. And it does not have crimped primers so GTG reloading the cases straightforwardly. I don't absolutely have to have 124 gr and faster fps. So having some supply of NATO, if pricing were similar, I will buy the Super Suppressed again instead.

 

This is what I used and was purchased from SGammo.

 

Unless there is something odd about the powder, I will make a guess from the safety of my armchair that it falls between just a bit more than typical American 9mm commercial and quite a bit less than full +P.

That is what NATO pressure spec falls between (36,500). More than std 9mm SAAMI spec (35,000) but less than +P (38,500)

 

This is what I used and was purchased from SGammo.

Looks like they changed the packaging & labeling again vs. when I bought it. Previously (as in years) the 1200 fps NATO was not labeled as "Train & Practice".🙂

 

I have it and like to shoot it.

 

As others have mentioned, its good to go.

 

Side note & FWIW, the same time I bought the Win. 9mm 124 gr. NATO that I pictured & tested in post #30 I also took advantage of the one 50 rd. box per order max promo ( was $6.99 ) SGammo offered on Winchester Ready 9mm 115 gr FMJ flat nose. It too ran without failure that day.

 

Unfortunately SGAMMO stopped shipping to California. Which is annoying because it is perfectly legal for them to do so. They are losing a LOT of business.

Well... maybe they are not. Unless the place is run by children, you have to assume that they've done some basic math and determined that the hassle of maintaining an approved california FFL list will cost more than the revenue they would bring in from selling ammo into this state. Or they are lazy.