Do some research.

Buy them while you can.

 

Do some research.

Buy them while you can.

Looks like someone did it for him. Helping is one thing but enabling just encourages getting someone else to do his work There's very little in the world that can't be found with a little research....but you and I know that.

 

They're not law enforcement only. There's just a Law Enforcement Only version of certain models with its own SKU number, same as other generations. These are the blue label guns and are mostly exactly the same as the non-blue label, but have an extra magazine in the box. Oddly enough, comparing the civilian and law enforcement versions of the Gen 4 G34, there is a 2mm difference in barrel length and overall length?????

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Gen 4's are LEO only right now. Any commercial models are left over stock. Glock would stop Gen 3 sales too if it wasn't for California and the thousands of Gen 3 Glocks being bought.

 

Weird. Trying to boost Gen 5 sales I bet. And/or they just don't want to produce many Gen 4s now.

Haven't you always been able to buy blue label Glocks, depending on the dealer?

 

That’s a possibility though every dealer I know of asks for credentials for the blue label Glocks at blue label price. I know of dealers that sold blue label pistols at regular price to non-qualifyied buyers because they were sold out of the regular label model. Also know a ton of guys who buy them blue label and sell them NIB for a good deal but they’re making money on the transaction.

 

Why continue making a previous generation when the newer one performs better? Only reason Gen 3 is still a thing is due to states like California.

 

Exactly. Only reason they’re still maintaining the G4 at all is for LE procurement contracts.

Hopefully this means G5 large frames are around the corner if they’re starting to 86 the G4’s.

 

The way I read that is they still have some blue label inventory - perharps because of certain agencies still wanting to buy them. Otherwise they have gone all Gen5. So if you have a GSSF coupon and your local deater has some you should still be able to buy. It's interesting though that the 23 Gen 4 is still available when the 23 Gen 5 is out. Probably old new stock still in inventory. The only reason they still make Gen3 is because California.

 

I don't blame Glock for attempting to trim their product line. As already noted, gen 3 for California and gen 5 as Glock's main/current focus. I can see LE agencies purchasing gen 4 on an individual replacement basis but I bet any agency looking to replace their entire stock of Glocks and considering either the gen 4 or gen 5, Glock would be pushing their usually very generous discounts for the gen 5s only.

I prognosticate that in the coming years, there will be plenty of gen 4 police trade ins... carried much, shot minimally, reasonably priced.

 

I don't blame Glock for attempting to trim their product line. As already noted, gen 3 for California and gen 5 as Glock's main/current focus. I can see LE agencies purchasing gen 4 on an individual replacement basis but I bet any agency looking to replace their entire stock of Glocks and considering either the gen 4 or gen 5, Glock would be pushing their usually very generous discounts for the gen 5s only.

I prognosticate that in the coming years, there will be plenty of gen 4 police trade ins... carried much, shot minimally, reasonably priced.

My department just replaced all of our G19/3s (purchased in 2010) with G45s. Before the G19s we had G22s and 23s (purchased in ~1999). We had a lot of problems with the G22/23s, especially with WMLs. No problems with the G19s. We really like the G45s. I got one of the first batches without the MOS but the majority are now MOS. I don’t personally like red dot sights but I also realize that I’m a dinosaur and I need to stand aside for the future.

 

For the same reason Auto manufacturers don't continue to make 2010 model cars.

But some agencies still want to continue with Gen4 due to the fact they dont want to maintain 2 different Gen pistols. So Glock continues to service them with new Gen4s.

 

Taking a scientific wilda** guess here, but I'd venture the only reason the previous gens are in production at all is so Glock can close out it's current contracts. Once those obligations have been met, other than used, they will disappear. New gen Glocks will never appear in California as I believe Glock and S&W both told them to pound sand. To get a new firearm on the "approved list", they were required to pay a fee and submit samples of the new weapon for approval and both refused to pay to play. I believe that whole thing started because Cali (and specifically LA County) had submitted a huge order of Gen 4's for law enforcement, which was exempt from the approved list thing, but wouldn't allow private citizens to own them. Glock cancelled the order stating if the guns weren't available to private citizens in their State, then under the same rules they wouldn't be available to law enforcement. There were a number of threads about this several years back.

 

A lot of California Law Enforcement carries Glock handguns of all generations. Glock does not turn down Law Enforcement sales and is very aggressive getting contracts. The main competitor to Glock in California is Sig. Glock tried very hard to get the Gen 4's on the safe list but could not. That did not stop any Law Enforcement sales. If Glock didn't manufacture Gen 3's many in California would not be able to purchase a Glock at all.

 

Just pointing out that this applies to 9mm and .40. For calibers not available in gen 5, gen 4 is still available.

 

I find gen 3 pistols to be "okay" but the gen 4 pistols finally brought me into the glock fold... The gen 5s lost me again.
Do not want.

 

Old news.

Glock has been phasing out Gen 4 for over a year. Some Gen 4 are still made that isn't available in Gen 5 as 9mmdude has said, you can still get .45 ACP and 10mm Gen 4 Glocks. I bought a brand new 21.4 2-3 months ago, USA made. Unsure if they are domestic production only or still imported.

The find gen 3 pistols to be "okay" but the gen 4 pistols finally brought me into the glock fold... The gen 5s lost me again.
Do not want.

My Glock collection is done also at Gen 4. Will not have a Gen 5 either. I just don't see anything of value, so more are available with MOS - another trend I care not about.

 

Gen5's won't fit in some security holsters designed for previous generations. That makes it hard to rotate in new guns at large agencies without a large financial outlay for new holsters.

I have a security holster (Safarliland ALS) that would normally work with G22/23 and 17/19, but my new G45 won't fit. Pretty sure its the ambidextrous slide stop/release.

I bought a concealed carry ALS paddle for my G45 that also seems to work ok with my G19.4...which means it likely works with my G23.4

 

That’s a part of it. But some agencies require a “ torture test” of each gun model. Ours was 10,000 rounds of 124 grain+p gold dot . I don’t know how many test guns are used. Just the testing and approval by the firearms section, the police commissioner and the political review by the city council isn’t worth the hassle . And they buy enough guns on its own for Glock to keep a model line open as they did with the smith and Wesson 5946 for a few years. The NYPD has its officers buy approximately 2000 to 5000 Glock firearms every year. And the other city enforcement agencies like corrections, taxi and limo commission agents, sanitation police etc piggyback off the NYPD firearm selections.

And I say— let’s bring back the Gen 2.
And the Gen 3 had its advantages. The original tennifer treatment and a good finish that doesn’t scratch as easily as the Gen 4

 

A statement from GLOCK:

“In an effort to intelligently preserve and grow the GLOCK brand and deliver uncompromised quality and maximum customer satisfaction, we are focused on our mission of future-oriented manufacturing technologies. This includes extending the latest Gen5 technology enhancements to the .40 caliber line of pistols. Availability will begin in October; however, the focus will be on supporting existing .40 caliber agencies on transitioning to the latest technologies within the law enforcement market. While we will continue to support fielded Gen4 pistols and agencies with Gen4 models, we have stopped 9×19 and .40 caliber Gen4 productions for the US commercial market. We look forward to bringing the performance improvements of the Gen5 technologies to other areas of product development.”

GLOCK Adds Gen5 Models, Stops Gen4 Production - American Handgunner

GLOCK has announced plans to expand the Gen5 line to include .40 caliber models and will subsequently stop production of 9mm and .40 caliber Gen4 pistols for the U.S. commercial market in an effort to intelligently preserve and grow the brand.

americanhandgunner.com

Glock originally couldn't get the Gen4 guns on the CA Roster primarily because Glock doesn't offer a magazine safety. (This was stated during a Glock armorer recert after the gen4's were released.) The loaded chamber indicator requirements became very stringent at one point during the mess when CA was changing their mind about what was acceptable, too.

Then, once state AG Kamala Harris decided the state didn't have a patent issue with microstamping technology in 2013, she implemented the bill that had been passed and signed approx 7 years prior (2007). Once the previously signed microstamping bill was implemented, all new models had to incorporate it in order to be accepted onto the state's Roster ... which meant no more new models would ever be accepted onto the CA Roster. LE could continue to buy them new due to the peace officers exemption written into the code, of course. That essentially meant that all new handguns that had been legislatively declared "unsafe" by CA could only be bought new by LE, and they're carrying and using firearms in Public that have been legislatively declared by CA as being "unsafe". If I understand it right, that's the crux of the challenge to the law that's been sitting and waiting in DC to be hopefully be heard by the Supreme Court ... someday.

Calif. Law Takes Effect On Microstamping Guns

A California law that requires all semiautomatic handguns to be equipped with technology that stamps a code with the weapon's make, model and serial number on bullet casings is now in effect after years of delays.

losangeles.cbslocal.com

 

Here’s an older article from July 2020. about this.

End Of An Era: No More GLOCK Gen4 Guns; .40S&W Will Go Gen5

End Of An Era: No More GLOCK Gen4 Guns; .40S&W Will Go Gen5 - GLOCK Gen4 guns are no longer being produced in favor of the Gen5 GLOCK pistols.

www.thefirearmblog.com

 

Better snag a Gen 4 whenever you find one.

I'm sure they're going to seriously increase in value.

Coincidentally...yeah, total coincidence, my Gen4 G19FS is available for sale for only $5000. You can just PM me here and we'll set it up.

Better hurry. 🙂

 

I doubt the value will increase much, if any, given how many there are out there.

How much extra value does an average gen 2 have? And they've been out of production for what, 20 years?

 

Sarcasm doesn't always translate well to the written word.

 

All I know is if the G-4’s are LEO Only, then why is our Blue label Police Supply only stocked with some gen 3 Glock -19’s and gen 5’s, no gen 4’s at all in the case.

 

Maybe you could ask them.

 

So Glock discontinues the G35 in Gen 4 (outside of LE) but doesn't yet have a Gen 5 to replace it.

I would think they would at least still offer the G35.4. Not like they wouldn't be able to sell it and a new G35 is next to impossible to find as a result.

 

The Gen5 35 is coming. Some websites have info for it. I emailed Glock and they said no ETA on arrival.




Glock 35 Gen 5 MOS FS 10 RD 40 S&W Pistol


Product #: 135782 Condition: Factory New MPN: PA353S101MOS UPC: 764503044137

 

The security holster issue is significant for LE agencies, as holsters are a significant expenditure. The ambi slide stop causes a problem with older holsters.

Gen4 represents a lineal connection to earlier generations of GLOCK handguns, and many LE agencies have legacy inventories of pistols and spare parts. Hence, they may wish to continue with Gen4 until most of their existing inventory his the seven year point (when night sights get dim, mags get tired, and pins and springs need replacement).

GLOCK offers a great LE agency trade-in program (roughly two old guns for one new gun). Gen5 has matured as a product in 9mm, and I’d feel comfortable transitioning at this point. Unfortunately, I received one of my new agency’s last Gen4 G19 pistols. I also retired from my LE career with a Gen4 G19. So, that’s where am for the foreseeable future. It isn’t a bad place to be at all, as Gen4 is well-proven, and has the benefits of the dual RSA. With Ameriglo Trooper sights, “M” backstrap, Pearce Frame Plug, and Glock OEM Extended Slide Stop Lever installed, the gun IS “perfect”. I just acquired a silver-slide G48, so I at least own a Gen5 Glock

I’m anxiously awaiting a Gen5 Glock 41. My G41.4 is perfectly good already, but I’d love a further-improved factory trigger and the “marksman” barrel.


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I’m anxiously awaiting a Gen5 Glock 41. My G41.4 is perfectly good already, but I’d love a further-improved factory trigger and the “marksman” barrel.
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Exactly! Want to get the Glock 41 but I would like to know if and when they will make it.

 

Maybe Law Enforcement officials are the only ones that can afford to buy glock after buying groceries for the week ....rolling eyes

 

Do you realize this is a year old thread?

…and the sky did not fall! Amazing! 😆

 

Some of California's laws and regulations make you scratch your head.

 

It's interesting to speculate if California's list is forcing Glock to continue producing both finger groove pistols (gen 3) and non-finger groove pistols (gen 5)? That is to say, if CA's list didn't exist, would Glock be only making gen 5 pistols today?

I prefer Glock producing both types (finger groove and non-finger groove) as that gives choices. But the finger grooved models should have changeable backstraps (ie: like gen 4s).

 

Someone mentioned in a previous post about SF or SEALS or someone using Gen 3 Glocks over Gen 4 or 5. The reason for that, from what I recall, was the recoil spring assembly. They said that the single recoil spring in the Gen 3 gave them less failures vs the newer dual recoil set up.

 

I wish they would make a Gen 5 Glock 17L!