I've heard multiple times that the Navy Seals use the Gen3 but I've also heard the same about Gen4s. Which is it? Google cannot locate source. Anyone know which is true or is it pure speculation?
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I've heard from reputable sources that Gen 3 G19s were selected; I've heard 2 reasons:
1. That the Gen 3s were already in the logistics system;
2.. That the flat wire recoils spring of the Gen 3 RSA is more tolerant of accumulated wet sand/foreign material than the nested spring RSA of the Gen4-it's apparently far easier to keep a Gen 3 going (or restore a sand-jammed Gen 3 top operability by field-stripping the gun and blowing out the sand, detrius, etc off the RSA)-apparently it can get packed into the nested spring set-up of the Gen4 guns.
Best, Jon
1. That the Gen 3s were already in the logistics system;
2.. That the flat wire recoils spring of the Gen 3 RSA is more tolerant of accumulated wet sand/foreign material than the nested spring RSA of the Gen4-it's apparently far easier to keep a Gen 3 going (or restore a sand-jammed Gen 3 top operability by field-stripping the gun and blowing out the sand, detrius, etc off the RSA)-apparently it can get packed into the nested spring set-up of the Gen4 guns.
Best, Jon
When I do a search for NSN part numbers for Glock, they all show Gen 3. BTW, there are NSN's for G17, G19, AND G26
http://www.parttarget.com/Glock-Inc_nsn-parts.html
http://www.parttarget.com/Glock-Inc_nsn-parts.html
I am curious about people's concern for the pistols that branches of government use. I wonder why it matters to different people. I'm sure the reasons vary, but it interests me.
Is it validation, or simply interesting information?
Is it validation, or simply interesting information?
Validation to me, but for more reasons than you may think.
1. Gen 3 RSA's are more reliable in the worst conditions than a Gen 4 RSA. Your average policeman would never get that amount of sand and grit exposed to their sidearm as what a SEAL would.
2. My own far-out thought.
A sidearm may be issued to a single police officer for years at at time. Gen 4 customization is great in this scenario. Officer picks left or right mag release and which grip adapter he likes and it's rarely ever changed after the initial configuration.
In the military, the firearm may be issued to several, maybe even a dozen different soldiers over it's life span. Swapping mag releases, especially when done by a grunt and not an armorer, may lessen the life expectancy of the frame. Also keeping up with the grip adapters is more of a hassle.
1. Gen 3 RSA's are more reliable in the worst conditions than a Gen 4 RSA. Your average policeman would never get that amount of sand and grit exposed to their sidearm as what a SEAL would.
2. My own far-out thought.
A sidearm may be issued to a single police officer for years at at time. Gen 4 customization is great in this scenario. Officer picks left or right mag release and which grip adapter he likes and it's rarely ever changed after the initial configuration.
In the military, the firearm may be issued to several, maybe even a dozen different soldiers over it's life span. Swapping mag releases, especially when done by a grunt and not an armorer, may lessen the life expectancy of the frame. Also keeping up with the grip adapters is more of a hassle.
Send it to me. I should have it operational and back to you in eight, maybe ten years or so.:kidding:
It may also be because GLOCK Gen3's are the ones that can take a silencer. GLOCK now makes threaded barrels and taller sights for the Gen3 G17 and G19.
As a friend who is SRT and trains with the SEALs routinely says, for shooting and especially suppressing, he prefers SIG. I don't think he will totally give his SIG up.
But if he has to dive, swim, run, or rappel from a helicopter, he is willing to give up the better suppressor host for a lighter, smaller sidearm. I suspect the SEAL's may agree that for a backup firearm, lighter is often better. I don't know if that is the reason for the switch, but with salt water and swimming, lighter, plastic frames would seem to have some advantages in weight and corrosion resistance!
But if he has to dive, swim, run, or rappel from a helicopter, he is willing to give up the better suppressor host for a lighter, smaller sidearm. I suspect the SEAL's may agree that for a backup firearm, lighter is often better. I don't know if that is the reason for the switch, but with salt water and swimming, lighter, plastic frames would seem to have some advantages in weight and corrosion resistance!
Not sure if it's validation in the sense u are saying.
Military weapons contracts are business and political deals. That's it.
We also know that Glock has never really met military requirements for contracts.
Given the arguably most dangerous military wing in the world adopted glocks, we take note. Some people like knowing that they are cool because they have the same gun SEALs have. I like knowing that I'm smart and made the right decision for having the same gun SEALs have, considering they defend their lives daily and likely got to pick what they want based on what they believe works, not based on campaign contributions and best price. I could be wrong though
I have been told that the Gen3 Glock 19 has been in limited service (optional choice) by the SEALs for quite a while. It is already a proven platform in combat and comes in a lighter, more compact package than the Sig.
Envy? Who knows? Only you can say why you care about which details other people are curious about.
Envy? Who knows? Only you can say why you care about which details other people are curious about.
CIF teams were using Gen 3 G22s and G17s before all of this kicked off...and 1911s...and M11s...honestly it's whatever.
I was just a support dude attached to Teams and still got to use whatever they had (which was a lot of stuff) it's inconsequential whatever DOD/SOCOM Awards a contract for. They use/bring/buy what they want.
Once upon a time even conventional forces were allowed to use their own uppers...
I was just a support dude attached to Teams and still got to use whatever they had (which was a lot of stuff) it's inconsequential whatever DOD/SOCOM Awards a contract for. They use/bring/buy what they want.
Once upon a time even conventional forces were allowed to use their own uppers...
The rollover came into fuller effect to get the military branches on the same basic page of one type of fire arm than several companies. Unlike the standard, spec ops have the luxury to use whatever whenever they'd like but the issued gun being glock across the board.
SEALs don't need Gen4's since every SEAL is the same....no Mods needed....
It would've been pretty badass if they went w/ the G18
The first pistol I ever bought was a Gen3 Glock 19. If the SEALs chose the same Glock as I did, it's not because they need to feel vindicated.
I served 4 yrs in the Marine Infantry, and only used "burst" one time. For which I was then reprimanded. In essentially all combat scenarios where one is carrying a rifle, semi auto fire is preferable. Full auto is generally just a waste of ammunition as the muzzle rise will send bullets over the target. Even machine gunners are trained to aim at 6 o'clock and center of the target, and shoot in short bursts, as the muzzle rise will make hits climb up the target, even when the gun is resting on a bipod/tripod.
....actually....esp on a gun that's "locked in" like a bipod or tripod, it's not the muzzle rise that's the problem- it's giving away the position of the "heavy" gun if you use longer bursts...
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