Never saw a LEO carry condition two before. Haven't seen too many 1911's carried in the past 20 years or so tho.

 

Almost all I've met keep it cocked and locked. I remember one years ago who had a military background before becoming a cop and he carried in Condition 3.

 

I've met several idiots who carry their 1911 with a round chambered and hammer lowered to half cock. There is no way to teach them anything.

 

There is a mechanism that can be added to a 1911 to carry with the 1/2 hammer down, and when the safety is turned off it cocks it back and ready to fire. So hopefully that's what they have going on.

I actually played with one in person (guy I shoot with has one), it's the wildest thing. I'm not advocating it, I'm just hoping that's what folks are using if carrying a 1/2 down hammer.

 

Seems like a good way to carry to me.

 

They cock the hammers on Glocks all the time - what's the big deal?

I can tell you from experience that directors listen to their advisors, then do whatever they want.

They are not making documentaries. C2 is a terrible way to carry a 1911.

If I had to guess I would say C3 would be much faster at getting rounds on target.

 

It’s realism.

Most shows the guns make a revolver cocking sound anytime somebody points it at another person. At least he’s actually cocking something.

 

Bosch 1911 carry and use is way better than Longmire.

 

I seem to recall he had his mags spine to spine in his mag pouch… not that there’s anything wrong with that.

 

Tom Selleck carried his .45 (I believe it was actually a 9mm) in condition one on Magnum PI. Clicking off the thumb safety was dramatic enough. Some millennial in the Longmire production crew said, "Ya know what would be dramatic? Cocking the hammer thingy!"

 

I keep mine in condition 2. But that's due to the angle of my shoulder holster and making people more comfortable. But I practice pulling the hammer as I draw to compensate.

 

Guns always make noises when they are handled in movies.

 

I wonder if Titus Welliver(Bosch)is a shooter.

AND, when is his new PI series coming out?

 

Do you remember him in the series "Deadwood". Many production companies have the actors carry Hammer down for safety reasons. Yes even if its not loaded.

 

‘Longmire’ Actor Robert Taylor Focuses on Small Details
Taylor’s portrayal of Longmire focuses on small details that make the character who he is. One small detail that could go unseen by viewers is the way the sheriff carries his pistol. According to entertainment site TVOvermind, Longmire carries his pistol “the old fashion way,” also known as “Condition 2.”
The condition 2 method means he carries his gun with the mag inserted, a round chambered and the hammer down. Watchers of the show believe Longmire does this to give him an extra split second to think before he fires off a shot. The reasoning behind the method is that cocking the hammer provides that extra split second to think before shooting. The typical preferred method of carrying a pistol is Condition 1. This means the weapon has a loaded loaded magazine inserted, a round in the chamber, the hammer to the rear and the safety on.
The modern Western drama had a successful six season run, ending with season six in 2017. The show first took up residence on the A&E Network in June 2012. Despite drawing high ratings, the network pulled the plug on the show after three seasons in 2014. The series was then taken in by streaming giant Netflix for an additional three seasons beginning in 2014. The show developed a strong following of Western lovers and did well in the rating columns for Netflix.

personally i thought id heard it was based off a series of books and just followed along with the book series and again I also assumed that thats how the character in the book carried his.

either way..doesnt bother me any..I mean he carries a lever action instead of a AR also so...well it is what it is no issues fun show I liked it.

 

From a historical perspective only, when the 1911 began to be used in the "New West" (1913 thru 1930s) many lawmen who adopted it carried in Condition 2.

The rationale was that the draw/deployment was similar to the SAA many were used to. That is, cocking on the draw stroke out of the holster. Many Texas Rangers of the period used this method and holstered their pistols on half cock.

Faster than the US Army's Condition 3 and similar to the SAAs they were previously using. Not much instruction around safety and drop testing was unheard of. "Real Men " were supposed to hang onto their pistols. 🙂

Just my $.02, but it's backed by historical writing and period photos.

 

I try very hard to never have the media influence any of my firearms decisions. Jeff Cooper taught me to carry my 1911 in condition 1 and to ride the safety with my thumb always on top.

That's good enough for me.

 

I have carried one that way on occasion. Besides "drama" it adds safety if you don't have a IWB holster with a retention strap that blocks the hammer or if you are carrying Magnum PI style. Not hard to cock the hammer, as you would with a single-action revolver.

 

Its not a 1911 but one time with my BHP at a gun show while I was OWB carrying it openly I had a guy tap me on the shoulder and advise me...hey you know your hammer is cocked back on your pistol..just wanted to let you know in case you accidentally hit it when you put it in there.. I then had to explain how single actions worked to him and said its supposed to be like that...it doesnt work otherwise lol/(yes safety was on)... but this was at a local gun shot/gun expo(this is a gun show at a shooting range where you actually have the opportunity to shoot the guns the manufacturers bring, shoot a variety of different "silencers/cans/suppressors"(call them what you will) to see what you like more and also a variety or semi auto/fully auto rifles, get some time behind a Barrett .50 cal sniper rifle.. I just found it funny even at a gun show..I got that.

 

The last duty gun I carried as a police officer was a Colt Delta Elite. In those days all police around me carried 10mm and I couldn't tolerate a DA/SA Smith & Wesson (Glock 20 wasn't really available yet). I carried it in a Safariland Top Gun that had a strap that blocked the hammer back. Every day, at least when I got around anybody who knew guns well enough to notice, I had somebody warn me that my hammer was cocked.

 

Hammer down requires fiddling and fiddling leads to negligent discharge. So don't fiddle - carry a 1911 cocked & locked.

 

Hammer down requires fiddling and fiddling leads to negligent discharge. So don't fiddle - carry a 1911 cocked & locked.

Exactly.

And from holster to nightstand at bedtime. Some 1911 carriers tell me they clear the pistol when they put is away and in the morning they chamber a round. That is the same as fiddling.

 

The distinctive slide-top cut on the Detonics was there specifically to make thumb cocking easier for folks who preferred hammer-down carry. Not for me, but they sold a lot of pistols.

 

I had one of those in about 78 I think.
I tried that a few times…. But did not feel confident in the process.
Back in the day it was a bit more common. But not the way I chose to care.

 

My dad carried his 1911 that way, said that is how they carried them when he was in the Army. WW2. Don't know if they were trained that way, or that is just the way the GIs chose to use in the field.

 

Situational depending. WW2 officers usually only had pistols and officers typically weren’t alone in the field and had rifles around them.

I know a guy who was a courier in Nam era. Handcuff briefcase and all. He carried his the same. He said “it’s a .45! If that thing goes off it’s gonna hurt!” But he also wasn’t running around the field.

 

Of course! The same as when Bourne pulls a Glock and you hear the hammer being cocked!

 

Someone said, earlier, carrying that way is being an idiot. That's a little harsh, IMO, if the 1911 is a series 80. I don't bash anyone on how they carry 'cause for all I know, they may train to it that way and can get a shot off faster than the average bad guy in any situation. Carrying like that with a series 70 seems a little more precarious. Either way, I can't get past cocking the hammer being easier than flipping off the safety no matter how much you train.

 

The way Walt carries his 1911 is one of the minor plot holes in Longmire.

Let's look at the constant references to gun registration in Wyoming.

Or the number of fully semiautomatic weapons in Absaroka County.

Craig Johnson is pro gun control (except when it comes to selling books and Netflix content) and it comes out in his writing.

The gun registration theme came up alot in the first 12 books. So did repeated instances in which Walt confiscates someone's gun without probable cause or due process.

 

The gun registration theme came up alot in the first 12 books. So did repeated instances in which Walt confiscates someone's gun without probable cause or due process.

Lots of cop show aren't too big on having the cops follow the law.

Hawaii 5-0 (new edition)
They go to a home/apartment to interview someone. No one answers the door. So do they leave? Nope. They try the door and find out it's unlocked, or they jimmy the lock, and then just wander in and look around.

 

WHY ? Cocked and locked is the ONLY way to carry a 1911.

 

Per Lt Col Jeff Cooper 1946 or so and only with his Gun Enthusiast group.

You know before Jeff Cooper no one called it "cocked and locked" or C1, C2 and C3?

 

It's for drama, In U.S. Marshals (movie) every time a pistol (Glock) is drawn the slide is racked. Several other movies have also done that, some even having the cocking sound many times in the same scene.
I know all of the holsters I have ever had (except open topped IWB) for the 1911/style that had a thumb snap, the hammer needed to be cocked for it to snap closed.
Carrying with the hammer on the half cock notch really is dumb. The half cock notch is a safety if the thumb slips off the hammer, which most likely means the gun was carried in condition 2!

 

I know all of the holsters I have ever had (except open topped IWB) for the 1911/style that had a thumb snap, the hammer needed to be cocked for it to snap closed.
Carrying with the hammer on the half cock notch really is dumb. The half cock notch is a safety if the thumb slips off the hammer, which most likely means the gun was carried in condition 2!

Don't forget the Jordan Style Holster for the 1911. Also carrying on the half cock notch was the know it all Bubbas thing. If you carried Condition 2 the hammer was all the way down.

This is a vintage Tex Shoemaker Jordan Style Holster. Note: Hammer is Down and Thumbsnap is snapped.

 

Movies are fantasies, some are porn, others are gun movies -- the same thing. They are STORIES, and the characters played by real humans are not real. In fact porn may be more REAL than all gun movies.

Special effects and stuntmen provide the visuals that are NOT REAL and frame the fantasy. No the Walther PPK is NOT a great gun.

If you cannot separate fantasy from reality, nor understand the difference then .....

 

The PPK shoots down helicopters at 500 yards! LIAR!