I was away from this thread for a while, but I can't say that I'm surprised that the Magpul Glock PMAG hasn't been as reliable as Glock OEM in the RXM. The lesser reliability has been known ever since the Magpul Glock PMAG debuted way back when. Of course, this being a joint venture between Ruger and Magpul, it's going to ship with the Magpul Glock PMAG.

Fortunately, this is cheaply and easily remedied with Glock OEM.

 

Interesting. There’s a good chance I missed it but are most (if any) parts interchangeable with Glock?

 

The slide components are Gen 3 compatible for sure, but I can not directly speak to lower components. The FCU could complicate or change Gen 3 Glock parts compatibility.

 

I’m not in the market at the moment (may be in the future), but I’d feel much more comfortable with a Rugar Magpul product over the PSA Dagger. I love PSA, but for edc I’ve heard of too many issues.

 

He says the trigger was consistent in the 3.5-4 lb range.
I guess they vary then as the one I tried at the LGS was over 5lbs (I didn’t have a trigger gauge but I have 3.5 lb triggers at home and this one was much heavier).

 

I handled one, didn’t shoot, so all I can comment on is looks and feel.

Grip texture was ok. Gun felt nose heavy but that could have been because of the straight back strap. Finish was nice. Color of frame was good.

I’ll shoot someone else’s just to say I did it but the only thing I think this gun does differently is the FCU modularity thing and that isn’t a priority for me so I don’t think I’d buy one.

 

I’m not in the market at the moment (may be in the future), but I’d feel much more comfortable with a Rugar Magpul product over the PSA Dagger. I love PSA, but for edc I’ve heard of too many issues.

I'm the same with the Dagger. I'd love to but it's just had such a harsh start. Ruger is going to capitalize on that. If theirs doesn't have a hard start, too.

He says the trigger was consistent in the 3.5-4 lb range.
I guess they vary then as the one I tried at the LGS was over 5lbs (I didn’t have a trigger gauge but I have 3.5 lb triggers at home and this one was much heavier).

I'm bummed, as I can't find my trigger gauge. I'll try to find it and test mine. Solid 500+ round break in.

 

I'm the same with the Dagger. I'd love to but it's just had such a harsh start. Ruger is going to capitalize on that. If theirs doesn't have a hard start, too.

I'm bummed, as I can't find my trigger gauge. I'll try to find it and test mine. Solid 500+ round break in.

I used a Timney trigger pull gauge FWIW. It's the same one I use in all my videos for consistency

 

Picked this one up this morning at my lgs, 390 total otd. Shot it out in the backyard and everything worked perfectly. Maybe ruger perfection? It does have a lighter pull than any of my glocks. I like it.

 

Picked this one up this morning at my lgs, 390 total otd. Shot it out in the backyard and everything worked perfectly. Maybe ruger perfection? It does have a lighter pull than any of my glocks. I like it. View attachment 1350769

Excellent to hear! If you do decide to run any type of defensive ammo, would you mind posting brand, rough round counts of that type shot, and results, here?

I hate to dog on the PMAGs, as a lot of people love theirs, but they did not work for me. Just saw a youtube vid last night, guy claimed that Glock mags caused malfunctions, but couldn't finish the video so I'll have to go watch it now.

That's one hell of a setup, btw I bet you're gonna love this thing. I do.

 

Question: Did you run the Magpul mags after cleaning and lining the gun? Or just before?
I’d be interested in seeing if it changed at all.

it may be the geometry is such that with a slightly sluggish slide and the last round just didn’t have the momentum to drive the last round home.

you may have mentioned it and I missed it.

 

So far sounds better than a Glock to me. The chassis symptom that runs reliably is already ahead of anything they offer.

 

Question: Did you run the Magpul mags after cleaning and lining the gun? Or just before?
I’d be interested in seeing if it changed at all.

it may be the geometry is such that with a slightly sluggish slide and the last round just didn’t have the momentum to drive the last round home.

you may have mentioned it and I missed it.

I did not run PMAGs after cleaning it, and then running it on 2nd range session. I wanted to test only Glock mags and see if the issue went away. It did. Moreover, I was able to replicate, by hand cycling, and after first range session and cleaning, the same failure to load last round with the PMAGs. In fact, even Mag #3 started exhibiting the issue during hand cycling. I tried inserting PMAG with only one round, and racking, nosedive. I also tried locking back and overhanding, slingshotting, and using slide stop as a release. It was happening everytime. Normally, I would not trust hand cycling to tell us anything; live fire testing tells the true story of functional reliability. However, after having seen it repeated during live fire, I will take it happening the same way within hand cycle tests as being indicative that it's gonna keep happening. The live fire results were already in and supported the hand cycling results, being they were the same.

 

I wanted to test only Glock mags and see if the issue went away. It did. Moreover, I was able to replicate, by hand cycling, and after first range session and cleaning, the same failure to load last round with the PMAGs. In fact, even Mag #3 started exhibiting the issue during hand cycling. I tried inserting PMAG with only one round, and racking, nosedive. I also tried locking back and overhanding, slingshotting, and using slide stop as a release. It was happening everytime...

For those who were here for the G43 launch, LRND was a thing. It took Glock a while to get it all sorted out, but this looks and feels like a path we have walked before! Some ammo (hollow points), last round, etc.

But in this case it sounds like data is in the system (very fast!) reporting the problem, and hopefully a quick fix is on the way!

If I recall correctly, a change to the feed ramp of the Glock G43, a bit of extra spring for oomph pushing, and a new follower were among the things Glock did for their LRND challenges at launch and the tweaks that eventually resolved it.

I cannot say that is the case for your RXM, but it sure feels the same! And thankfully, it is an easy fix to get to a reliable gun.

Doubly lucky for you is that you have Glock magazines that fit as a fall back plan, so you have a short-term solution while it gets sorted out. And if the Glock mag works, the RXM is closer to a fix than the G43 was at launch (just needing the magazine to be tuned a smidge) and not needing the gun ramp changes.

 

Magpul is awesome. They requested the 3 mags be sent back for their engineers to review them. They're sending replacement mags out with return packaging. I mentioned I'd lost a screw for an MBUS sight, and they're sending the screw and sight adjuster for free, even though I said I'd pay for the parts. They're genuinely interested in seeing what's going on, and sending new mags out.

Copy that Magpul, you're recommended from now on. I always have recommended Magpul stuff, but this just confirms it.

Ruger and Magpul on the RXM: You have two of the best customer support reputation companies in the gun world working on this thing. I'm happy about that.

 

My black frame from Magpul should be here on Friday!

 

@FrankenGunBuilder @pewNerds I got a new one for your edits! I just got some P series mags, and took the orange sticker off the side, I got a photo.

I want Ruger to put THIS on the RXM on the top of the slide or somewhere highly visible!

 

@FrankenGunBuilder @pewNerds I got a new one for your edits! I just got some P series mags, and took the orange sticker off the side, I got a photo.

I want Ruger to put THIS on the RXM on the top of the slide or somewhere highly visible!
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Joined the RXM crew…picked mine up Monday and took it to the range yesterday. I like it a lot! The trigger feels great shooting it nice and crisp and I do like flat shaped so that is a plus. Recoil feels good out of the box. Sights are ok to me don’t mind Glock sights definitely an upgrade. I always replace them with Trijicon right away but I don’t feel the need though to do that with the Rugpul. As far as the Magpul frame love the feel of the grip and texture while shooting it. I do wish it had a little more meat around it but let’s see what frames they come out with. I shot mostly reloads 115 grain (maybe 150ish rounds) and a mag full of Hornady 115 HP FTX no issues with the magpul mags. I did clean it before I hit the range. Even though there weren’t any issues I definitely prefer the quality of the Glock mags so I bought a mag for this gun looks like it seats better on the gun too. Definitely the feel of a Glock with a pretty dress on it already.

 

Joined the RXM crew…picked mine up Monday and took it to the range yesterday. I like it a lot! The trigger feels great shooting it nice and crisp and I do like flat shaped so that is a plus. Recoil feels good out of the box. Sights are ok to me don’t mind Glock sights definitely an upgrade. I always replace them with Trijicon right away but I don’t feel the need though to do that with the Rugpul. As far as the Magpul frame love the feel of the grip and texture while shooting it. I do wish it had a little more meat around it but let’s see what frames they come out with. I shot mostly reloads 115 grain (maybe 150ish rounds) and a mag full of Hornady 115 HP FTX no issues with the magpul mags. I did clean it before I hit the range. Even though there weren’t any issues I definitely prefer the quality of the Glock mags so I bought a mag for this gun looks like it seats better on the gun too. Definitely the feel of a Glock with a pretty dress on it already.

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Verrrry nice. Yeah, it's a solid shooter. I've run it hard, twice, and I can't fault it for anything. The not cleaning it before the range was a sacrilegious violation on my part, but it did not contribute IMO. I'll be running the new PMAGs they send, just to give it a shot. I ordered 500 more rounds of that JHP, so I'll be testing it out a little further. I got them for $16 a box, out the door. Sliiightly more than FMJ 115 gr, and they're a dependable JHP load, that's why I buy it.

I will also bring a TLR-1HL next range trip, and run Weapon Mounted Light tests. I'm looking at decent, affordable optics. I may even attach a red dot. If I'm ever gonna do it, this is the platform. I thought my PDP would be, but this thing is about as cutting edge as it gets. Only the Echelon and Shadow Systems have mounting systems like this, so that's cool.

BTW Can't believe how rad Magpul is about this. They overnighted the replacements, SASE return shipping is inside, and the screw I asked for and offered to purchase. Can't argue.

 

Great write-ups OP. Just be glad it didn't come out of the box like this.

 

Thank you! I knew someone would really tat that thing up with warnings! I love the pinch and live ammo ones on the grip!

 

I'm 100% getting one as both a Ruger and a Glock fan

I'm not paying a transfer fee and shipping for a $350 gun so the first one I see in the wild I'm buying

I've been using PMags for a while in my Glock 19s and never had a problem in 1000s of rounds plus they're like 120 bucks for a 10 pack if you look around at places like Brownells

It will most likely be a range toy but 99% of my guns are purchased as range toys anyway

 

Fair points, all of them. I doubt you'll be disappointed. As a range toy, you don't even need to test ammo types. Mine fed ball ammo 100%, regardless of mags used.

 

I have quite a few Magpul mags that I have used for both range and duty carry. They are older ones, both 15 and 17 rounders. I have used them for thousands of rounds in multiple classes and training sessions. I have had exactly zero issues with any of mine. I know there have been issue with them off and on, but I have 100% confidence in the ones I have as they have been well vetted.

Magpul is also an excellent company and I am not surprised one bit on how they are handling this. They have a solid hold in the rifle market with all their furniture, and the RXM, if successful, stands to get them a hold in the pistol market as well. Not only with RXM and upcoming P320 frames, but any future modular pistol offerings as well.

Travis Haley has hooked his cart to Safariland, since they bought the INCOG out, and the new Echelon or so it seems, but it would have been cool to have seen him rocking the new RXM, getting in with Magpul again.




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Exactly this. Magpul has skin in the game, and if all goes well, they're gonna have a solid show in on the pistol market. I believe it is going well, and will continue to do so.

 

I got off the phone with both companies. Thanks for reminding me.

Ruger did say they'll be adding it to a data sheet regarding issues, since it's a new release. Their engineers will be seeing these data points.

Magpul was also cool, and when I told them I had photos, they sent me an email to reply sending the photos. They will be passing it along to their engineers.

Magpul is awesome. They requested the 3 mags be sent back for their engineers to review them. They're sending replacement mags out with return packaging. I mentioned I'd lost a screw for an MBUS sight, and they're sending the screw and sight adjuster for free, even though I said I'd pay for the parts. They're genuinely interested in seeing what's going on, and sending new mags out.

Copy that Magpul, you're recommended from now on. I always have recommended Magpul stuff, but this just confirms it.

Ruger and Magpul on the RXM: You have two of the best customer support reputation companies in the gun world working on this thing. I'm happy about that.

I am thrilled to hear that! Feedback sent. Feedback welcomed with open arms. Engineers tracking data! This is what it looks like when things work! Thank you for being the catalyst!!!

 

Well, I fell for it, or the marketing, or the "gotta have it" or whatever, and I'm gonna guinea pig it for GT. I went and had a look at it, and I will say, I'm impressed. Walked out having purchased it for $395.99. Please enjoy the thread, all commentary positive, neutral, and negative welcome. I don't care if you like or dislike the new RXM, I'd still like to hear. I hope this will become the new thread for this thing moving forward, here on GT.

I got a host of pics here for you guys, and please request any additional pics. I wanted to really see the FCU, and all that.

INITIAL IMPRESSIONS: Grip feels better than a Gen 3 19, but still large, but feels good. Fit and finish, especially machining of the slide is immaculate, and very consistent. Smooth nitride finish, similar to my favorite S&W Armornite or whatever the hell they call it.
GRIP: Grip texture is perfect. I mean that, Magpul nailed it. Undercut is minimal, but feels great. Backstrap is consistent radius, and minimal beavertail. Trigger guard is rounded, no texture on front of it, doesn't matter to me. ETA: Forgot to add, nicely molded in integrated flared magwell. Visually unobtrusive, but functionally there if you gotta have one. Nice to have.

CONTROLS: Are nice and extended just enough. Style language is a bit new to me, but I'm pretty happy with it.

TRIGGER: Like a Gen 3 Glock, but it's just a hair nicer. Reset is stronger, but a little longer, by sev than my G19.3. I wonder if it's a Ruger "minus" connector, but time will tell. Kinda flat faced, kinda not. I'm not confirmation biasing myself to death, but it's one of the nicest trigger shoes on a plastic gun yet, IMO.

SIGHTS: Blacked out serrated rear, and Tritium white outline front. Suppressor/optics height, but still fit the gun nicely even without an optic.
ETA: Tritium glow isn't bad, but could be brighter. I'm used to Truglos which are nearly bright enough to read by in a dark room.

OPTICS CUT: Haven't taken the plate off, no need yet, but it's designed to fit 3 different patterns: RMR, DPP, RMSc with no plates required. I'll get a pic soon and edit the thread, here.
FCU: Intriguing. I was very curious as to how they did this, and it's looking pretty cool.

I hope to actually get out and shoot it soon, perhaps tomorrow, if time permits. Regardless of how it performs, I decided to get on board early with this one. Even if it does have issues, which I hope Ruger realizes a solid launch is critical, I know Ruger will have our back and make it right whatever it takes. If it shoots anything like my Gen 3 Glock 19, but improved, I think it's gonna be winner.

Thanks for reading. Fire away with the comments!

I’m sure it’s very nice. Ruger makes good stuff…… that combined with being a Glock copy it probably can’t go wrong. However, I simply don’t need another gun. I’m good.

 

For those who were here for the G43 launch, LRND was a thing. It took Glock a while to get it all sorted out, but this looks and feels like a path we have walked before! Some ammo (hollow points), last round, etc.

But in this case it sounds like data is in the system (very fast!) reporting the problem, and hopefully a quick fix is on the way!

If I recall correctly, a change to the feed ramp of the Glock G43, a bit of extra spring for oomph pushing, and a new follower were among the things Glock did for their LRND challenges at launch and the tweaks that eventually resolved it.

I cannot say that is the case for your RXM, but it sure feels the same! And thankfully, it is an easy fix to get to a reliable gun.

Doubly lucky for you is that you have Glock magazines that fit as a fall back plan, so you have a short-term solution while it gets sorted out. And if the Glock mag works, the RXM is closer to a fix than the G43 was at launch (just needing the magazine to be tuned a smidge) and not needing the gun ramp changes.

I don't carry my Magpul mags in my Glock, but had several very early ones that worked perfectly fine! I do prefer the design to Glock's design for disassembly (way better!), and they had the orange followers prior to others, which I also liked.

As you note, some (you, me, and several thousand of our best friends!) bought the Magpul mags for our Glock and found them to be of good quality. But that wasn't quite enough for them to truly take off in the handgun world. Glock mags are very good, really inexpensive, and just a bit too hard for many of us to walk away from (the cost savings wasn't enough to push me to third party over OEM with its inherent advantages in issue resolution).

But now this! THIS swings open a door for them to be the OEM solution on a mainstream handgun! And if it works well, may help them be viewed as truly interchangeable with Glock mags (a position Glock enjoys for carbines, etc.... being THE option!). Magpul is known for their AR mags, support, and pro-2A stance. Perhaps pistol mags climb that ladder now.

If nothing else, they will have the driver's seat for people buying extra mags for their RXM's.

I think Ruger and Magpul both did quite well for themselves in this partnership! It will be fun to watch unfold!

Definitely, I really appreciate the ease of disassembly of the magpul mags for maintenance. I sure wish Glocks were that easy, and the are even more difficult with my 10-8 baseplates.

As a general rule I try and use factory Glock mags on duty, but I do carry several of my Pmags as backup mags. I have some Glock Gen 5 OEM mags setup with 10-8 baseplates, that I use on duty quite a bit especially with any of the Clone Glocks I have run, SS, and now the RXM. The Glock OEM mags are hard to beat.

I am eyeballing the new Mecgar magazines for Glock, not because I think they are better, but they will be easy to take apart. Magpul, if you really want to impress us, make a replacement base pads system for factory Glock mags that would make them easier to service.



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Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery !

 

I know the safety branding is kinda silly, but to pass on a tool because of a little writing is kinda silly as well. It really isn't that big of a deal, at least to me. I'm sure there will be other frame options out there that won't have it. At least they didn't put it on the slide where it can't be avoided by just not looking at it.

I spend more time looking down the sights, than I do ogling the frame.




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While waiting for my new frame, I had ordered a Glock OEM Gen 3 extend slide release as I like the extra purchase area.
It arrived today and went in 1,2,3. Easy Peasy! Works great and I love the upgrade from stock.
Black frame should be here tomorrow.

 

Excellent! Glad you're stoked. I can not see you being disappointed. I haven't enjoyed shooting a gun this much in a while. I've directly compared it to my Gen 3 19 and 17, and I'm sorry but it's just better feeling and shoots just as well. Trigger is all around nicer than OEM Gen 3 Glock, and I love Gen 3 guns.

Does the slide stop still wobble? A YT dude had said that his RXM wobbly slide stop was causing problems. Average Marksman is his YT channel I believe.

 

I have a XD9sc with the grip zone on the frame. I added grip tape over it so it's not seen anymore.

 

Forgot to add. I used my newly re-found Wheeler mechanical gauge. Average of 3 pulls all lead to a nice, consistent 4.5 lbs which is exactly what I felt it was with my trigger finger gauge. About 4.5-5.5, so I was close. Lower on the shoe got a hair above 4, higher on the shoe got a hair under 5, so it worked nicely.

 

Any mods: If posting videos like these is prohibited, please edit and remove and let me know. I don't believe it is, according to forum rules, but I could be wrong.

The video from Gun Talk Media. Just popped up in my feed. 6 minutes. 8400 rounds over a week, dunking it in water to cool it down, and shooting more. At the end, they pull the FCU out and have a look at it. It's gotta be the beefiest and simplest FCU I've seen, and I've messed around with or worked on P320, P365, GX4, APX, and one more I can't recall. Most of them have a spring, or a pin or part that if you're not careful, can wiggle or fall its way out. I'm impressed with this. Very impressed. Not just because I bought one, but because I'm impressed with their design.

MrGunsnGear's video:

He initially had issues with the optics mount screw being too long and hitting the extractor plunger, and I've seen several guns with this issue. My buddy's P320 AXG Classic immediately started malfunctioning exactly like this about 3 years ago, when we first put his new Romeo 1 Pro on. He and I were not familiar with optics, but we figured out that the extractor was the culprit. Removing the optic and screws, it functioned normally again. Realized the screws were too long, and interrupting free extractor plunger movement.

 

Any mods: If posting videos like these is prohibited, please edit and remove and let me know. I don't believe it is, according to forum rules, but I could be wrong.

The video from Gun Talk Media. Just popped up in my feed. 6 minutes. 8400 rounds over a week, dunking it in water to cool it down, and shooting more. At the end, they pull the FCU out and have a look at it. It's gotta be the beefiest and simplest FCU I've seen, and I've messed around with or worked on P320, P365, GX4, APX, and one more I can't recall. Most of them have a spring, or a pin or part that if you're not careful, can wiggle or fall its way out. I'm impressed with this. Very impressed. Not just because I bought one, but because I'm impressed with their design.

MrGunsnGear's video:

He initially had issues with the optics mount screw being too long and hitting the extractor plunger, and I've seen several guns with this issue. My buddy's P320 AXG Classic immediately started malfunctioning exactly like this about 3 years ago, when we first put his new Romeo 1 Pro on. He and I were not familiar with optics, but we figured out that the extractor was the culprit. Removing the optic and screws, it functioned normally again. Realized the screws were too long, and interrupting free extractor plunger movement.

I spent a few hours with mine last night, breaking it down completely. What Ruger essentially did was take everything out of a Gen3 Glock and mount it in a removable cage, the FCI as Ruger calls it. If you take a Gen3 frame and the RXM and look down at them side by side, and don't consider the fire control frame, they are virtually identical.

They didn't re create the mouse trap, they simply put it a different location. Simplicity was the key here and Ruger did exactly what needed to be done. Nothing more, no fluff, no fancy stuff, nothing added to make lawyers happy, just plain ole Glock Gen 3 style parts, parts that Ruger and most everyone else knows work. What's old is new again, funny how that is.





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