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Strange assumed advantages of revolvers

1.7K views 4 replies 2 participants last post by  BBMW  
#1 ·
Mas,

I have to admit I have a few gun related prejudices. A big one is that I think as a modern defensive handgun, revolvers are obsolete. Autoloaders just seem to have so many advantages that it seems silly for someone to be using a revolver for the primary purpose of self defense any more. For the size and weight (at least empty) they allow for vastly more ammo capacity of at least equivalent, or likely more effective, rounds (thinking specifically of .38 vs 9mm with this statement.) This applies both both snubby or duty size revolvers compared to their autoloader equivalents. And there are other issues beyond just this (think reloading.)

This thinking sometime leads to debates on forums (this or other.) What I get back is mostly that revolver advocates feel the revolvers are more reliable, both in general and in specific situations. My answer to the general situation is that if revolvers are so much more reliable, why have the entire law enforcement and military communities moved to them? No one seems to have a good answer for this.

But I also hear about specialized situations. Two come up fairly regularly. One is that in contact shot situations, a shooter will jam the gun into the body of the target before pulling the trigger, knocking it out of battery. The other is that a revolver can be fired without drawing, through a pocket, specifically a jacket pocket, without jamming. So after all this verbiage, here's are the actual questions. First, are these real situation, that actually come up in defensive shootings, and on anything even vaguely like a regular basis. Second, if/when they do happen, have you heard of gun stoppages in autos happening because of them? Third, would you consider either of these when selecting a gun, especially for concealed carry. I would guess the answer would be "no" to all of them, but I have no where near your experience.

These would appear to be situations that no one would even think of trying to collect statistics on, so all we have to go on are anecdotal reports. And given your background, you're more likely to get more of these than anyone. Feel free to comment on anything I've said in here (the general auto vs revolver thing), including the specific questions posed. I have actually seen test done on these situation where a revolver did seem more likely to function correctly (specifically the shooting out of the pocket situation.) But again, is there any real likelihood that situation would come up?

Any thoughts on the subject appreciated. Thanks
 
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#4 ·
Press contact, definitely; shooting through pocket, anecdotally. Any failure you can replicate and make happen on the range is one that can obviously happen in the street.

I would figure them into weapon selection.

Another concern not mentioned in this thread yet is that the revolver can't be caused to malfunction by "limp-wristing." This can be due to a defender who had limited strength to start with; may have been injured or forced into an awkward position during the encounter; or "firing from the hip." In the latter case, if the elbow is bent at anything like a 90 degree angle, recoil drives the whole lower arm from hand to elbow straight rearward. This pulls the frame back when it needs to be rigidly held as an abutment for the slide to work against. The frame moving back with the automatically-cycling slide reduces slide momentum and can cause ejection failure, stovepipe, etc. Not a problem with a revolver, of course.

The revolver and the autoloading pistol each have their own set of pros and cons. Assess your own needs, and see how many boxes each design checks, and you're on your way to making the right decision...for you.

Best,
Mas
 
#2 ·
Either COULD come up, the press contact shot being the most likely. The auto shooter can consider pistols with prognathous full-length recoil spring guides that prevent the gun being pushed out of battery (shorter barrel Springfield XD series being an example), or a weapon mounted light that extends beyond the muzzle, to better adapt the auto to a contact shot.

Fired through the pocket, it's possible for a fold of fabric to get between the hammer and frame of a revolver as a shot is being fired, particularly if the hammer has been cocked, one reason shroud hammer or "hammerless" revolvers are preferable for coat pocket carry. Autos don't ALWAYS jam when fired through a pocket but we've seen it happen often enough in CQB classes to know it's A Thing. Burning hot brass also gets trapped against the shooter's bare hand.

Best,
Mas