I chose Phil because I live in PA and plus he is the only thing besides the Little League World Series that Williamsport has.

 

What really stops things is a lot of high explosives in a thin steel shell.

 

I don't have an answer, but interested to see the discussion. Something has to be an indicator of how much of a person a bullet can damage.

 

None of the poll options.
Spend enough time on gun forums and you will repeatedly see...
Location.
In a "good area" a 32 acp is deemed sufficient
Going to a "bad area" or greater threat they carry 9mm or more.
Threats in "good area" deemed easier to incapacitate/stop apparently.
Threats from "bad area" are apparently immobile, one must go to them.
Location.

 

Stopping power is kind of a misnomer in and off itself.

There is also a pretty big difference in high power rifles, intermediate cartridges, shotguns and service pistol calibers in terms of the probability of stopping a threat, or humanely killing big game.

CNS disruption, air in, blood out are factors that can be evaluated. Where projectiles hit and internal ballistics have a contribution as well.

I'll say it's complex. Different parameters need to be explored based on the limited set of possibilities.

 

I think my grandma, she’s good with a skillet, in more ways than one. Well she’s gone now, but she used to be.

 

Since you asked, out of the available choices I voted for Hatcher. But... you might consider reading the Thompson-LeGarde test conclusions. Just a thought.

 

45ACP > all the rest

that's all the prediction anyone needs.

 

You can have your 45ACP in a 1 mile duel. I'd go with something better myself. 😁. Maybe a 300 PRC.

 

Junk poll. No option for shot placement.

 

Only a newb whips out the shot placement argument...lol

 

I just wanted to say thank you for explaining the options. I had never heard of most of them.....so that is going to skew my opinion even though I now understand all the options. I still feel most comfortable with Kinetic Energy.

 

When we say stopping, are we referring to velocity or speed?

 

I have 10mm. All theory becomes irrelevant. Lmao

 

I chose Kinetic, but I have to say, Grandma with a skillet sounds pretty devastating.

 

I took the easy out and voted "None." I'm no expert anyway.

While a .22lr out of a rifle is different than the same from a handgun, there are so many variables involved that it's hard to predict the outcome of any incident.

"It depends" on a lot of things at the time.

 

Stopping power pole:

 

'Bout a 300mm anti-auto?

 

Depends, is the perp a big fat person or bean pole?

 

 

Everybody knows, if you shoot a big fat guy w a 10mm, he turns into a bean pole! Come on man!!!! Lmao

 

I assumed equal shot placement went without saying.

 

i like the taylor ko , but honestly its shot placement .. combine the two for the win

 

Placement plus adequate penetration to reliably reach and pass through critical structures.

 

Shot placement and penetration.

 

Cant believe 18 people here still believe in KE, the Easter bunny & unicorns.🤕 I have to believe few if any of them have hunted & seen Ke fail.

 

Cant believe 10 people here still believe in KE, the Easter bunny & unicorns.🤕

I think it's up to 11 now but in second place is 'None.' You're making progress Fred.

 

Neighbor has a 1500 pound steer out and if it gets in my wife's flower beds, I'll just say "Honey come look at this!" I'll have an answer after that.

 

When I see the term 'kinetic energy' I can't help but think, 'the 80's called and they want their junk science back'.

Penetration and fast, accurate follow up shots would have gotten my vote if they were on the poll.

 

The 'options' (explained) are perhaps one way for someone to self-gauge how long they've been around handguns deployed in a defensive role, and how well read they may be on the history involved.

Having invested my fair share of years pondering this subject, and having listened to my fair share of (at least claimed) SME's on this topic, because of having carried a badge for 34-odd years and having trained as a LE firearms trainer for 26-odd years ... my default response to such a question would be "Hell if I know".

From a practical perspective, since I carry retirement/LEOSA weapons, I have some interest in bullet weight weight, with a little interest in caliber (as it lends itself to the weight/mass consideration), but my primary interest and consideration is in the ability of the shooter to put accurate and effective hits ('effective' being anatomical referenced).

It's just a handgun.