[fowler]

Yes the Navy dumped the old non-railed in the early 2000,s. Sig sold off early ones on the commercial market about 2002 that was left over. You can get a new Mark 25 thats the new service pistol. I had a 228 and a German 220,but upgraded to the newer models for better service. The older German welded pitsols gave Sig a bad name with rust problem and spreading slide failures. The new Sigs have corrected all the short commings of the older models.Thank goodness.

 

[2-8 Marine]

+1

This past summer I bought a P228 that was made in W. Germany in 1991 for my girlfriend. After putting a few hundred rounds through it, it's a damn fine weapon and I'm now looking for another one for myself.

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Not the prettiest blueing but a great gun none the less. :thumbsup:

 

[2-8 Marine]

Yes the Navy dumped the old non-railed in the early 2000,s. Sig sold off early ones on the commercial market about 2002 that was left over. You can get a new Mark 25 thats the new service pistol. I had a 228 and a German 220,but upgraded to the newer models for better service. The older German welded pitsols gave Sig a bad name with rust problem and spreading slide failures. The new Sigs have corrected all the short commings of the older models.Thank goodness.

That Sir is pure drivil! Is that simply your opinion or are you just parroting some one elses?

 

[cowboy1964]

The older German Sigs ARE better than the Sigs that are made today.
Period!!

I've never owned a German Sig but honestly I can't imagine how my U.S. made 229 could have been any better. Was the most solid, reliable, ergonomic piece I've ever owned. Decided to get rid of it only because of the SRT and the weight.

 

[G26S239]

I like both my 229s, the 9mm and the 40/357. I never did like having a two piece slide on my P220 or P245 though both were reliable and accurate. I prefer milled slide Sigs and all 5 of my Sigs have solid slides. The 229 is accurate and reliable and soft shooting even with 127 +P+.

 

[March817]

The P229 can be had with a rail, for serious professional mall duty ops.

 

[fnfalman]

The P229 can be had with a rail, for serious professional mall duty ops.

The current P228 also comes with rail for ninja ops.

 

[BlackPaladin]

I would buy an older non railed P228 if I could find one at a reasonable price. I did own a new P229 9mm, which I sold later on. The German Sigs are where it's at, the new stuff went downhill (more flash than performance), taking Sig's reputation with it.

 

[fowler]

Older German Sigs can have feeding problems with HP ammo. At local gunshops the new Sigs sell like hot cakes and at the $700-1100.00 prices they sell quick . The last Navy 226 I got is a fine shooter and feeds anything 100%. And you got nite -sites and 3 magazines with it for $869.00. Very well made and one of Sigs best service auto,s. They sold out fast.

 

[fowler]

The older welded carbon German are being phased out of service . In current service is the one piece stainless slides. But you still may get a worn weak surplus German Sig that was out of service and sold as surplus Obsolete or scraped out. But it would not be in service with current special forces,L.E. Secret service ,homeland securty,Seals,U.S. Coastguard,British SAS Commando,s. I have seen older p-6,s,but beware they don,t feed hollow points good and can,t handle +p or +P+ and are single line low capacity magazines that were put out of service in Europe as being Obsolete. Buy a New Sig -Sauer if you want to use it for serious a defence automatic.

 

[USMC03Grunt]

Uh, have you ever heard of the M11? It's the military designation of the P228. OSI still uses them as well as a couple special operations units I trained and they are 99.5% identical (the .5 percent is for the different stampings on them) as the P228. NONE of the M11s in inventory have any sort of a milled slide. They are still the same stamped slide and steel slide block the P228 has. I don't know where you get your information from but mine if first hand. There is no problem with the P228. As far as the buy American thing, sorry but I have no problem paying my money to foreign companies when American companies are stuffed to the gills with bloated union workers.

 

[fnfalman]

Uh, have you ever heard of the M11? It's the military designation of the P228. OSI still uses them as well as a couple special operations units I trained and they are 99.5% identical (the .5 percent is for the different stampings on them) as the P228. NONE of the M11s in inventory have any sort of a milled slide. They are still the same stamped slide and steel slide block the P228 has. I don't know where you get your information from but mine if first hand. There is no problem with the P228. As far as the buy American thing, sorry but I have no problem paying my money to foreign companies when American companies are stuffed to the gills with bloated union workers.

Shhh...that's a secret. :rofl:

 

[glockpeter]

my pi two two eight made in west germany 1989 forever

:wavey:

 

[fowler]

Yes correct older 228,s are being phased out of T.E. its no secret. There not bad pistols under normal use and make good collecter items. But we will never see the old US M11 ones on the surplus market.

 

[fnfalman]

Yes correct older 228,s are being phased out of T.E. its no secret. There not bad pistols under normal use and make good collecter items. But we will never see the old US M11 ones on the surplus market.

There's enough newer ones running around with rail for the tactically inclined.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/936081942/Guns/Pistols/Sig-Sauer-Sigarms-Pistols/P228/SIG_228R_9mm.htm

 

[fowler]

Those Swiss trade in,s are fine 228,s. I got one from Wideners in N.C. and they had the P6,s to. They are fine 9mm pistols and I don,t intend to degrade them or how they were made. They still can serve fine. There should many surplus comming in over the next few years we hope. They offer a Sig for near half the price and this doe,s not mean they are half the gun ,just older surplus. Look what happened to the Canadian Iglis Highpowers they were destroyed. The surplus Sigs offer a good name brand pistol at half the cost of a new one. Here we can get a housegun,ccw,truckgun that is used and be a fine user automatic not a safe queen.