As I've mentioned on GT, I bought this new and was having a 15%+ failure rate of different kinds. Sent it back to Sig, who said it had a missing slide catch lever spring. Took it to the range today for a short session and had no problems with 100 rounds of 115 gr. and 147 gr. Seems like a keeper. Beautiful European walnut grips allow for a good two-handed grip. Awesome trigger.

I know the purists probably only like the German and Swiss P210s, but some over on the Sig forum who have both are comparing this very favorably to those models, and say they shoot the US version better, maybe because of the better sights and target grips. View attachment 403266

I might have to buy one just to round out the three countries: Switzerland, Germany and America.

 

I’ve handled a couple.

Seems like a decent pistol for the price. It’s no Swiss or German model, but it sells for less than half the price brand new that those sell for used. In many cases, only a small fraction of the price.

I do wish they would have left the design alone, but that was one of the ways they got the costs down.

 

Yes, different barrel to slide lockup.

Here a review of the US version that compares it to the old model:

http://www.gunsandtech.com/on-target/rob-kay/bringing-icon-america-sig-sauer-p210-review/

 

Sensational pistol. With a low bore axis and some heft to it the thing is a dream to shoot.

 

I would like to get one myself.

 

As I've mentioned on GT, I bought this new and was having a 15%+ failure rate of different kinds. Sent it back to Sig, who said it had a missing slide catch lever spring. Took it to the range today for a short session and had no problems with 100 rounds of 115 gr. and 147 gr. Seems like a keeper. Beautiful European walnut grips allow for a good two-handed grip. Awesome trigger.

I know the purists probably only like the German and Swiss P210s, but some over on the Sig forum who have both are comparing this very favorably to those models, and say they shoot the US version better, maybe because of the better sights and target grips. View attachment 403266

What others prefer should never ever mean anything to you.

I'm not surprised that SIG took care of your issue, and glad that they did so to your satisfaction. I hope your P210 Target continues to impress you.

Hopefully SIG will introduce the P210 "Standard" version soon, and I'll jump on that

 

What others prefer should never ever mean anything to you.

Well, maybe that's a stretch, I think other's opinions should be listened to to gain info, but ultimately should not be your bottom line in your decision. To say "never, ever" is foolish...

I'm not surprised that SIG took care of your issue, and glad that they did so to your satisfaction. I hope your P210 Target continues to impress you.

I'm surprised that Sig left a part out (oops, we forgot, tee-hee), to begin with. This is their flagship pistol, right? (welllll, we don't leave many parts out very often, I can tell you that...)

 

Lots of perception going on in in this thread without knowing how each shoots. I know someone who owns all 3 and his choice and accuracy doesn’t line up with perception.

It’s kinda like when the Accord started being produced in America and people swore the Japanese Built Accord was better because of this reason and that reason.

The reality was that since the American built Accord was built in a newer more high tech facility that It was actually a better more reliable car proven with statistics. People still wanted the Japanese built car.

Romance makes a great dance partner.

 

American craftsmanship as a whole isn’t a problem.

American management as in the case of SIG USA is a problem

 

I'll stick to my Swiss police turn-in.

Sig leaving a part out is unforgivable and pretty much par for the course for the dumpster fire their company has become.

 

I'll stick to my Swiss police turn-in.

Certainly more collectible, but lots of people will be interested in a similar gun that shoots just as well and has a better-positioned mag release, an easier to use safety and better sights, at less than half the price. Today's 1911s are not the same as when that model first came out, I expect the Sig P210 to evolve over time also.

Sig leaving a part out is unforgivable and pretty much par for the course for the dumpster fire their company has become.

From a pretty extensive internet search, this is only the second instance of this happening, a lot of guys over on the Sig forum have never heard of a problem with the P210A. Their customer service was very good. Believe it or not there are German and Swiss models that have to go back to Sig for repair.

 

yeah Sig is really “$hitting the bed” these days. They are manufacturing the two most important side arms today in America. The p320 and the p365.

I prefer German Sigs as well, but have a P365 on order and would love to shoot the 210.

 

yeah Sig is really “$hitting the bed” these days. They are manufacturing the two most important side arms today in America. The p320 and the p365.

I can’t stand the P320, personally. I think the P365 would make a good carry gun if you like that sort of trigger and they work out the problems.

What’s “important” about it?

 

Great looking gun.....congratulations. I already own a CZ75 TS which already has a lot of the same design elements and ergos. If not, I’d certainly be considering the P210.

 

The new American made P210's are different pistols than the original German and Swiss made P210's. They cannot be compared equally. One has nothing to do with the other.

Being made in America means absolutely nothing. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
It seems every thread like this is immediately infected with anti-American comments.

The new SIG P210's are great guns. They speak for themselves.
They stand alone from the originals and they're proud to be American.

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Come on, that’s ridiculous.

Means nothing?

Have you ever compared the so called “high end” American Sigs like the Elite models with something like the German X Series or older Sport models? It’s like night and day.

There’s nothing “anti-American” about recognizing that Sig’s quality of guns built here pales in comparison to the best from Germany and Switzerland. I mean it’s not even close.

...and I own a TON of awesome American pistols and revolvers. I think we have made some of the best firearms in the world over the years.

 

Not recognizing $1 Billion (approximately) in sales over ten years to the armed services as “important” is disingenuous. I’m not a 320 fan but acknowledge its new place in history. Important doesn’t equate to best.

Personal bias often can get in the way. Hell, I don’t care for the G19, doesn’t diminish its relevance.

The P365 has created a tremendous buzz and demand. Far more than the shield when it first came out. Sig is selling these by the boatload, can’t make them fast enough. That makes it important.

That being said, I will still carry a Sig 228 or 220 (German) or a prelock Smith. Those are my preferences.

 

Not recognizing $1 Billion (approximately) in sales over ten years to the armed services as “important” is disingenuous. I’m not a 320 fan but acknowledge its new place in history. Important doesn’t equate to best.

Personal bias often can get in the way. Hell, I don’t care for the G19, doesn’t diminish its relevance.

The P365 has created a tremendous buzz and demand. Far more than the shield when it first came out. Sig is selling these by the boatload, can’t make them fast enough. That makes it important.

That being said, I will still carry a Sig 228 or 220 (German) or a prelock Smith. Those are my preferences.

You have good taste in firearms. :thumbsup:

I just don’t see either of them as important guns. The military getting a huge deal doesn’t mean anything to most of us.

Also the buzz created by the P365 is certainly impressive. It’s exciting for sure. Important? I don’t see it.

Either way that doesn’t mean anything in regard to quality, as you said yourself.

 

I get it, but the P210A isn't just any new firearm, IMHO.

I agree

I bought a new German P210 Legend a few years back.

 

Do the Swiss police models have that same heavy trigger?

The sights on the P210A are really good, with a very visible green front sight. It's like comparing the sights on a Colt 70 series 1911 with those of a modern 1911.

Yes, the P210-1 and P210-2 have the same trigger. The -1 is the commercial version. The -2 is the military version.

The American Sig has a trigger like the Swiss target models.

 

I don't see any sense in listening to others, and never base my purchases on anyone else's opinion. What is "foolish" is to believe that someone else would know more about what I like or require - than I do...

I understand your viewpoint here. In my case and I'd suspect you have a good bit of agreement is that if a new gun comes out in a caliber/action style that I was interested in and it and it gets rave reviews from first buyers and magazine articles and is manufacturered by a reputable company, I'd be interested in checking it out.

That being said, whether I buy it is completely dependent on how much I, not others like it.

Case in point, the new S&W M&P9 2.0 has gotten excellent reviews. Went into Bass Pro not having any intention of buying anything. Handled it and really liked it and bought a longer barreled one (elsewhere, saving 26%). Works great, does everything I want and then some, happy camper. Don

 

Your local shop always has guns the rest of us never see.

Yeah they get some cool stuff in from time to time. :supergrin:

 

And I’m going to guess that the magazines don’t work in the Swiss models.

 

I have no idea, but the locking design is completely different. It uses a locking block that Sig Sauer introduced on the P220 in the mid 1970’s, not the original Sig design.

 

To be fair, the P49 had plastic grips.

True fnfalman, they had both.

Lots of nice guns have plastic grips. That said, I much prefer the wood grips.

 

I don’t care for the largish target grip. I think that I’ll wait for the standard model to come out.

 

Wonder if the standard will have the target trigger.

 

A fifteen yard test target? Doesn't SIG Exeter have a longer range?

It's also interesting that they test with Blazer Brass instead of their own SIG ammo.

The Swiss guns came with a 50 meter test target.

 

There are reviewers of the P210A that got 2” groups at 50 yards.

 

Pail, this is a sweet looking, and shooting, piece of hardware you have!

I’ve recently had the opportunity to handle two of the new P210As and came very close to buying one each time. I, unfortunately, don’t own a Swiss or German P210 to compare them to, however, I do have to say that I have been somewhat impressed by the apparent quality and the “feel” of Sig America’s model and can see myself picking one up in the next few years, especially when the promised longslide version materializes. (I like longslides, what can I say?) From all the posts and reviews I’ve read, it certainly seems to be one of Exeter’s best products yet. (Did I just praise it with a faint damn?)

That said, I truly wish they had come-up with another name. Heck, call it the P100-X if you have to, but leave the original name to the originals. Silly? Maybe, but that’s my opinion.

Who knows, perhaps this new Target model just might be the catalyst for Sig America to make quality improvements across the board. Or, if these sell well enough, maybe they could talk the German Mastershop folks into moving to the US and opening a new workshop that would turn out items like they did over there. Considering the amount of money their old products bring these days, it is pretty apparent that the market is there for true high-quality items.

 

Thanks, OP.
I get that some people don't care for this "p210." Given that, mechanically, it is not the same gun as the original, I understand. Perhaps SIG should not have labeled it a p210, which I suspect was a purely marketing driven decision.
That said, it seems like a very nice gun. I've got no use for the target grips, but I'll take a hard look at the "Standard" model, or whatever it's called, when it comes out.

 

Thanks, OP.
I get that some people don't care for this "p210." Given that, mechanically, it is not the same gun as the original, I understand. Perhaps SIG should not have labeled it a p210, which I suspect was a purely marketing driven decision.
That said, it seems like a very nice gun. I've got no use for the target grips, but I'll take a hard look at the "Standard" model, or whatever it's called, when it comes out.

I think Sig should have called it something else, but that makes no sense from a marketing standpoint.

Besides that, Sig USA couldn’t care less about their lineage or legacy.

 

As I've mentioned on GT, I bought this new and was having a 15%+ failure rate of different kinds. Sent it back to Sig, who said it had a missing slide catch lever spring. Took it to the range today for a short session and had no problems with 100 rounds of 115 gr. and 147 gr. Seems like a keeper. Beautiful European walnut grips allow for a good two-handed grip. Awesome trigger.

I know the purists probably only like the German and Swiss P210s, but some over on the Sig forum who have both are comparing this very favorably to those models, and say they shoot the US version better, maybe because of the better sights and target grips. View attachment 403266

Very nice! Looks like a keeper! Sad to hear the missing part issue, but happy that it is making you happy! I'd love to have one!

 

Are they available at a reasonable price, or at ridiculous markup? I have seen some priced about $150-200 over what they should be. I want one, but don't see the point in overpaying THAT much.

I am on several wait lists, and the nearby SIG Elite dealership is getting 25-30 SIG365's per week. But I am just over 250th on their wait list. ~10 week wait... I am fourth and twentieth on two other non-SIG Elite dealer lists, but after the first few shipments, they are getting very few guns. They have gone a couple weeks without seeing even one gun, so I don't know which one will win the race. If your dealer has them and isn't price gouging, they are defying the odds! At least for my area. Rumors of Cabella's didn't pan out for me. Now out of stock there, too.

I’ve seen these guns with street prices of around $1350-1400.

 

Are they available at a reasonable price, or at ridiculous markup? I have seen some priced about $150-200 over what they should be. I want one, but don't see the point in overpaying THAT much.

The two I've seen here in East TN have been $1389 and $1449.