I carry a Glock 21 most of the time. I spend alot of time in the woods. I was wondering what advantages a G20 would give over a 21 and if its worth the money to carry a 20?
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Pros of a Glock 20 over a 21 for the woods?
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I chose the Glock 20 for a couple of reasons. First, 16 rounds (15 +1) of 10mm is formidable. If you can't get it done with that, you're not going to get it done with any hand gun. Second, the ballistics of the 10mm are better than the .45ACP. If you get into reloading, you can have a ball with the 10mm. I do plan to get a G30 in the very near future, but for the woods, I like the 10mm. Just my opinion.
I spend quite a bit of time in AK stream fishing and more and more people along the shoreline are carrying 10mm. I don't really think any hand gun is the ticket for Grizzly bears, but if you're going to carry a hand gun for that type of service you do have 16 shots.....
I spend quite a bit of time in AK stream fishing and more and more people along the shoreline are carrying 10mm. I don't really think any hand gun is the ticket for Grizzly bears, but if you're going to carry a hand gun for that type of service you do have 16 shots.....
The tradeoff is penetration versus speed of followup shots.
There's always the question of 10mm ammo availability, if you don't reload. (I don't.)
One thing about .45 is, you can always swap springs and drive it with +P rounds, which when pushed through a 6" barrel will get back some of what you give up to 10mm.
There's always the question of 10mm ammo availability, if you don't reload. (I don't.)
One thing about .45 is, you can always swap springs and drive it with +P rounds, which when pushed through a 6" barrel will get back some of what you give up to 10mm.
You can buy a Ruger Blackhawk or Redhawk in .44Mag or .45 Colt for about the same money. .44Mag cartridges are available in many weights and power levels all over the place, and MANY in Alaska. You can easily and safely carry six commercially-available rounds of 325 grain hard-cast lead semiwadcutters in that Ruger, which will certainly give Papa Grizzly-Bear a big headache.
Probably a 4" barrel for ease of carry. I'd choose this over the 10mm any day...and I have both.
Gaston would also carry a Ruger for Alaska travels; he just wouldn't tell anyone.
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Probably a 4" barrel for ease of carry. I'd choose this over the 10mm any day...and I have both.
Gaston would also carry a Ruger for Alaska travels; he just wouldn't tell anyone.
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Unfortunately the OP hasn't said anything about where he lives, nor does he have a location listed on his profile.
Woods carry and Alaska carry are not necessarily the same thing. Grizzlies are serious business. And Moose.
But Kentucky woods carry? Much more tame.
10mm is so powerful, just firing it will create an earthquake and make your enemy, weather it be human or animal fall into the open cracks of the earth and fall into the inferno known as hell, only to face Sauron himself. Of course if your enemy is Open Carrying it will prevent his demise.
Is the .45 Colt even close to .44 mag in terms of ballistic performance? I would pick the .44 mag over all others mentioned for a woods gun based on reputation. But what do I know?
The woods of Northern Maine for this summer. I dont handload but sure do carry this Glock 21 whenever I can. How much more penetration with a 10mm? Practice will be more and so will costs of ammo. Will either a 21 or a 20 drop a large black bear?
A .22 has the potential to drop a black bear, that doesn't make it the best choice. I don't know how big the black bears get up there in Maine, but down here they aren't very big, 200-300lbs max, and they are very unlikely to give you any trouble. If I was to buy a gun solely for woods carry, it would be a Ruger SRH Alaskan in .454.
ETA: This would be my choice for .45 woods ammo:
http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=214
If you already have a G21 then I would just use +P ammo. If you want a 10mm or need the extra power then G20.
I once read a story of a hunter taking out a large black bear with a .40cal Glock. If this is the case, the same size bullet with more powder behind it would be a great choice. And the 10mm round will penetrate much better than the .45, due to its slightly smaller size and much higher velocity
I carry a G30SF when I'm hog hunting, but I highly doubt I'll opt for my 45 or any sidearm when I'm carrying my 870 Police Magnum 12 gauge stoked with Rifled slugs. I do shoulder my 700 LTR 308 and patrol through thick stuff when heading to an open deer stand though. In that case I would prefer the penetration of the 10mm if I spooked a pregnant or momma sow. There is no doubt in my mind that the 10mm best the 45 Auto for woods carry.
I once flashed my G20 at a black bear in a stream and he died of heart failure. For this reason alone, I'd go with 10mm in the woods.
No, really it's true. :faint:
:rofl::rofl:
Black bears are small, and females (which is what you have to worry about) weigh about as much as an adult male human. They will also run away from a human whenever possible, mama-bears with cubs being the obvious exception.
There's no need to worry and fret over which caliber to use, 9MM would work just fine.
I carried a Ruger 41 Magnum in Alaska, and pulling on a single action
pistol during a bear charge takes practice and very large nads. I was once
chased a ways up a river by a brown bear. He was fishing, and just wanted
me out of there. He got what he wanted. After that experience I realized,
for me, a large bore single action pistol was not a viable bear defense
weapon. I needed something that I didn't have to overcome the adrenalin
rush to operate. Point and shoot, and shoot, and shoot some more was
a better plan. Since I can approach the 41 Magnum, with a Glock 20, a
6" barrel, and hand crafted ammo at max pressure, for my pistol, make mine
a 10mm Auto. With this pistol and 16 rounds, I can get started on the
charging bear earlier, and at a longer distance where the adrenalin levels
are still manageable. To answer the OP, I have several 45 ACPs I shoot
extremely well, and often...I purchased a G 20 SF, and 6" KKM barrel.
To complete the kit, I have a Specter Gear Universal thigh holster, on a
tactical belt, with a double mag. horizontal pouch, so when I go in the
woods I have 61 rounds in the pistol, and spare mags(one mag pouch on
the holster). I practice often.
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pistol during a bear charge takes practice and very large nads. I was once
chased a ways up a river by a brown bear. He was fishing, and just wanted
me out of there. He got what he wanted. After that experience I realized,
for me, a large bore single action pistol was not a viable bear defense
weapon. I needed something that I didn't have to overcome the adrenalin
rush to operate. Point and shoot, and shoot, and shoot some more was
a better plan. Since I can approach the 41 Magnum, with a Glock 20, a
6" barrel, and hand crafted ammo at max pressure, for my pistol, make mine
a 10mm Auto. With this pistol and 16 rounds, I can get started on the
charging bear earlier, and at a longer distance where the adrenalin levels
are still manageable. To answer the OP, I have several 45 ACPs I shoot
extremely well, and often...I purchased a G 20 SF, and 6" KKM barrel.
To complete the kit, I have a Specter Gear Universal thigh holster, on a
tactical belt, with a double mag. horizontal pouch, so when I go in the
woods I have 61 rounds in the pistol, and spare mags(one mag pouch on
the holster). I practice often.
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