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Pin & Weld Muzzle Device Options?

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16K views 35 replies 21 participants last post by  BamaTrooper  
#1 ·
If you were going to have a muzzle device permanently attached to a 14" (roughly) AR-15 barrel to make it a bit over 16" what would you choose?

Normally, you have the option of unscrewing and replacing muzzle devices so bad choices can be undone but in this scenario you'd better get it right the first time.

My preferences would be:
No excessive length since that would defeat the point of using a sub-16" barrel. Of course, the optimal device length would depend upon the exact length of the barrel.
Good flash suppression (which rules out most muzzle brakes)
Moderate blast/concussion (another strike against most muzzle brakes)
Some compensation to reduce muzzle rise would be nice.
Having the ability to mount a suppressor would also be good although I don't see myself doing that anytime soon.
Cheaper is better but I would consider a "buy once, cry once" type of option if it seemed clearly superior.
The basic A2 flash hider seems to fit what I'd want but I wonder if there are better options.
 
#4 ·
you can pin and weld any muzzle device regardless of the material its made of, just use a pin of the same material and a welding process for that material.

just drill the pin depth to just below the minor dia. of the threads on the barrel, press the pin in and weld the pin to the muzzle device, leave the weld showing for a "see what I did ATF agent".

its still removable, just a real pain, you'd have to destroy the muzzle device and would leave a mark in the muzzle end threads where the pin was, not a big deal when mounting another muzzle device/flash hider.
 
#9 ·
I think the AFT will not allow an aluminum muzzle to be used to extend a short barrel to make it 16+ inches.

I am not an expert on ATF stupid - but I have read this several times - so at least check it out before you use aluminium as your barrel extender.
 
#5 ·
If you were going to have a muzzle device permanently attached to a 14" (roughly) AR-15 barrel to make it a bit over 16" what would you choose?
Not a muzzle break, that's for sure. I have always liked the XM-177 style.
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Did you literally give up having a stock for a barrel that was only 2 inches shorter than legal?
 
#7 ·
Did you literally give up having a stock for a barrel that was only 2 inches shorter than legal?
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Not a muzzle break, that's for sure. I have always liked the XM-177 style.
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Did you literally give up having a stock for a barrel that was only 2 inches shorter than legal?
No, that would be silly. This is just something I've thought about doing. I am going to wait and see what happens with the BATFE's latest regulations in the courts and the 2024 election before I put any money into a project like this. The Supreme Court might end up voiding big chunks of the NFA or things might go the other way and we'll get something like the Clinton Era restrictions again.
 
#6 ·
I have the smooth version of this flash hider installed on my rifle. Seems to do a slightly better job hiding flash than an A2 birdcage.
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#17 ·
A 1.5" muzzle device will not be long enough to make a 14.5" barrel 16" long. You have to remember that you loose 1/2 to 5/8 of an inch from the length of the muzzle device for the threads. So you will need at least a 2" muzzle device to get a 14.5" barrel to 16".
 
#21 ·
My preferences would be:
No excessive length since that would defeat the point of using a sub-16" barrel. Of course, the optimal device length would depend upon the exact length of the barrel.
Good flash suppression (which rules out most muzzle brakes)
Moderate blast/concussion (another strike against most muzzle brakes)
Some compensation to reduce muzzle rise would be nice.
Having the ability to mount a suppressor would also be good although I don't see myself doing that anytime soon.
Cheaper is better but I would consider a "buy once, cry once" type of option if it seemed clearly superior
Maybe this.

 
#24 ·
I recently had a 4 prong flash hider pinned to a Colt 6921 upper.

I am very pleased. Very little 'ping' from it.

 
#35 ·

KAK makes these retro steel XM177 moderators in 4 & 6 inch drilled for pin hole. I stuck one on my 10.5 in. 7.62x39 but couldn't bring myself to weld it. It made length at about 16.2 inches. I took it off and just bought a real 16 in. barrel. Makes more sense to me.