[Nakanokalronin]

The rental P365 at the LGS where I acquired mine has over 12,000 rounds through it and catastrophic failures, no breakage. It is a version 1.0 and was sent back to Sig early on to have all the improvements made to it.

The LGS has now added a 2nd rental P365 and it has over 4000 rounds through it with zero issues. It is a version 2.0.

Question for the group - does that FP face come into direct contact with the steel back of the breach face upon dry fire, OR is there some small buffer there that the FP face has to compress just enough to have the tip of the FP extend past the opening and hit the primer?

The reason I'm not surprised is from my experience with India steel. The one at my LGS/range broke in 2 days. I'll be waiting quite awhile to see what Sig does before buying one. India made metal is terrible in every application I've used it in or have seen it used in. Tools, machine parts, metal hose, welding, ...you name it. Knowing that they went with the bottom of the barrel material to make their parts puts me off on it all together unless they start producing them in-house or somewhere else.

I have plenty of firearms to carry and would rather wait this one out since it has more than a few issues right out of the gate. Your range has one with 12,000 through it and then there are people that have failures in a few hundred. I'd rather not bet my life on which one I'd end up with.

 

[TaxMan Cometh]

To clarify the rental guns had NO catastrophic failures. The context of my original post did not stress this?

And I think the India company has locations in the USA where the parts are made, correct?

 

[Nakanokalronin]

To clarify the rental guns had NO catastrophic failures. The context of my original post did not stress this?

And I think the India company has locations in the USA where the parts are made, correct?

Where in my post do I say otherwise? "Your range has one with 12,000 through it and then there are people that have failures in a few hundred."

The parts say "Made in India" not "Made in USA for India". India is the country they're made in.

 

[TaxMan Cometh]

Where in my post do I say otherwise? "Your range has one with 12,000 through it and then there are people that have failures in a few hundred."

The parts say "Made in India" not "Made in USA for India". India is the country they're made in.

I only added my NO as I noticed my initial post left out the word NO. We are in agreement :waving:

 

[NAZG26]

Thanks for this. It is soooo tempting but I am still so on the fence on this one after being burned twice by US Sig. It gives me some sort of confidence in them reading stuff like this.

 

[jakedaawg]

I am curious, I wonder how much of all the negativity is due to a ton of comments about a really few number of breakdowns? With the internet these days 5 firing pin breaks in the entire country could be blown out of proportion. Or, it may be 5000 firing pin breaks. How do you know?

 

[Warp]

I am curious, I wonder how much of all the negativity is due to a ton of comments about a really few number of breakdowns? With the internet these days 5 firing pin breaks in the entire country could be blown out of proportion. Or, it may be 5000 firing pin breaks. How do you know?

I have seen more than 5 different broken pins posted in photos or videos. Passed that awhile ago actually.

Maybe it is 5k broken? I mean, this is Sig, so it's possible, right?

Or we can say we 'know' it isn't 5k because we are reasonable people that realize 5k broken guns this early on would look significantly different than it does. Even Sig would have issued a recall if 5k strikers had already broken

 

[Nakanokalronin]

I read a few days ago that a Sig rep confirmed 50 broken pins returned so far, but I don't know when the rep said it. It could still be 50 or 1,000 at this point. This doesn't mean much since many people don't shoot thousands of rounds through guns which goes double for small guns. There are people that put a box of ammo through a firearm and call it gtg for defensive purposes. Some take it out of the box, load it and put it right in a holster/night stand without ever firing a shot. This means there may be some that will be "flawless" and make it seem more like a fluke. From the various forums I've read about this, it's no fluke and with such random round counts that I'd want Sig or a Sig rep to confirm the issue has been resolved and what was done.

 

[Warp]

I read a few days ago that a Sig rep confirmed 50 broken pins returned so far, but I don't know when the rep said it. It could still be 50 or 1,000 at this point. This doesn't mean much since many people don't shoot thousands of rounds through guns which goes double for small guns. There are people that put a box of ammo through a firearm and call it gtg for defensive purposes. Some take it out of the box, load it and put it right in a holster/night stand without ever firing a shot. This means there may be some that will be "flawless" and make it seem more like a fluke. From the various forums I've read about this, it's no fluke and with such random round counts that I'd want Sig or a Sig rep to confirm the issue has been resolved and what was done.

I find it crazy how little people will do, even with guns that are brand new to market or have been around but proven to be inconsistent, and consider them good.

For the P365, guys have posted that they fired 200 rounds with 3 failures to extract, but the 20 round box of JHP didn't have a failure so it's good to go. I'm like...what?

 

[TaxMan Cometh]

I am curious, I wonder how much of all the negativity is due to a ton of comments about a really few number of breakdowns? With the internet these days 5 firing pin breaks in the entire country could be blown out of proportion. Or, it may be 5000 firing pin breaks. How do you know?

This is a big part of it. This gun has gotten a ton of scrutiny. That tends to magnify the issues, into a full-blown pandemic, as they get repeated. I don't think the Sig P320 drop-fire issue caused this much commotion.

I told a girl I know about my Sig P365 and she, in turn, told her daughter's fiance about my Sig P365. He is an avid gunner. Guess what the first thing he said to her was? The Sig P365 is unreliable, has all sorts of problems, and he would not carry one to defend himself. This despite never handling or firing the weapon. So where did he get his info from which to come to this conclusion? The internet...

I for one do not have the data to determine if the firing pin failure rates of the P365 is better or worse than any other gun that has a certain mechanical failure rate.

Does Sig have a reason to downplay the issues? **** yeah they do? Do bar-stock gun parts break, I would have to assume so. More than MIM? I sure as **** don't know. What is the failure rate of Glock firing pins? When you put a firearm in a vacuum like the P365 has been put into, every issue, immaterial or catastrophic is magnified. If we removed all the sky-is-falling posts from people who do not own the firearm and are only repeating what someone else said, how many are left standing?

 

[jakedaawg]

This is a big part of it. This gun has gotten a ton of scrutiny. That tends to magnify the issues, into a full-blown pandemic, as they get repeated. I don't think the Sig P320 drop-fire issue caused this much commotion.

I told a girl I know about my Sig P365 and she, in turn, told her daughter's fiance about my Sig P365. He is an avid gunner. Guess what the first thing he said to her was? The Sig P365 is unreliable, has all sorts of problems, and he would not carry one to defend himself. This despite never handling or firing the weapon. So where did he get his info from which to come to this conclusion? The internet...

I for one do not have the data to determine if the firing pin failure rates of the P365 is better or worse than any other gun that has a certain mechanical failure rate.

Does Sig have a reason to downplay the issues? **** yeah they do? Do bar-stock gun parts break, I would have to assume so. More than MIM? I sure as **** don't know. What is the failure rate of Glock firing pins? When you put a firearm in a vacuum like the P365 has been put into, every issue, immaterial or catastrophic is magnified. If we removed all the sky-is-falling posts from people who do not own the firearm and are only repeating what someone else said, how many are left standing?

Thank you, your post states much better and clearer the thoughts I was attempting to convey.

I am relatively new to the internet as far as forums and the like...no social media. I am still learning how many grains of sand from the internet I will use to inform myself.

 

[timmay]

Thanks for taking time to do the write-up Warp. I bought one yesterday. $499 at Rural King. Manufactured 5/08/18. Brought it home, wiped off the excess oil, and ran around 300rds through it. 100 HST 124 +p, and a couple hundred reloads. They're 124gr PD HP's over a slightly over max charge of BE-86. Same as the HST's power wise. Pistol ran perfectly. Strong hand, weak hand, intentional limp wrist, didn't matter. Ran like a champ.

Nice sights. Great trigger. Good ergo's. GREAT grip texture. Every polymer pistol should have this grip texture, IMO it's perfect. I'm really diggin this little pistol. Hopefully it holds up.

 

[Warp]

I'd proverbially kill to get that grip texture on my HK's and Glocks. The P365 or the FNS grip textures are what I want.

 

[IndyExit]

This thread is mimtastic!

 

[IDCG]

But I still don't get it

My barrel looks how it looks, yet people have barrels with 1,400 rounds that look like this

So how do you define normal?



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I've found that the same model of gun will have similar wear patterns, but the extent of wear varies with each individual gun based on tolerance stacking, ammo used, etc. For example, my Sig P226 has similar wear patterns as other P226s I've seen photos of, but to a greater degree, which I attribute to shooting a lot of duty ammo & +P verses other guns that have been run mostly with mild range ammo.

 

[Warp]

I've found that the same model of gun will have similar wear patterns, but the extent of wear varies with each individual gun based on tolerance stacking, ammo used, etc. For example, my Sig P226 has similar wear patterns as other P226s I've seen photos of, but to a greater degree, which I attribute to shooting a lot of duty ammo & +P verses other guns that have been run mostly with mild range ammo.

If you reference my OP you'll see it was almost entirely American Eagle which is on the mild side

 

[IDCG]

If you reference my OP you'll see it was almost entirely American Eagle which is on the mild side

How does the inside of the slide look where the barrel hood makes contact?

 

[Big1]

So guys, since I had a dead trigger problem, should I go ahead and just get the Lightning Strike so when I get it back I can install it or wait?

 

[strangerjames]

So guys, since I had a dead trigger problem, should I go ahead and just get the Lightning Strike so when I get it back I can install it or wait?

Dead trigger or broken striker?
Two different issues.
The dead trigger is caused by a spring on the underside of the FCU, I believe.
Not my pic:

 

[Slantnose]

Last week I received an updated BXR3 Sig P365, manufacture date of March 25th.

The pistol was field stripped, cleaned, and generously lubed with Slip 2000 EWL prior to the first range trip, at 340 rounds, at 640 rounds, and again at 770 rounds.

875 rounds Federal American Eagle 124gr
50 rounds Federal HST 124gr
50 rounds Federal HST 147gr
20 rounds Speer Lawman 124gr
20 rounds Federal HST 124gr +P
7 rounds Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P

The gun has functioned perfectly so far. No stoppages, no malfunctions, no premature lockbacks, no failures to lock back, etc. At least 150 of these rounds were fired one handed. At least once I got the pistol hot. My former-food-service calibrated fingertips estimate the exterior of the slide at the forward serrations hit approximately 160 degrees (too painful to hold), I was not willing to grab the barrel to guestimate how hot it was. My trigger finger when indexed and my offside thumb (forward grip) were uncomfortably warm firing the gun at that time (this was during the final 100 rounds or so on the gun)

The gun is small, as we know. This is the extended 10 round magazine (fits all three fingers) over the top of a Shield 9mm with the 8 round magazine

Same comparison, extended 10 round P365 vs 8 round Shield

Grip texture is great. I don't know why anybody would put a Talon grip on this gun. The granular talon grips tear me apart when worn IWB (and most other people as well), while the rubber talon grips provide less grip than the P365 has from the factory.

Sights are good-very good. The color is in the ballpark of the yellow Trijicon HD (my favorite), but more green, not quite as bright and eye catching, and smaller. The rear notch is also relatively smaller, and appears square vs U, but for factory stock night sights they are the best I've had so far and I would not spend any money changing them.

The trigger is great. Some say it's too light for a small defensive carry gun...I can see that...but I think it's great. Light, smooth, short take-up, no discernible over travel, very short reset. The break/wall could be a little more firm, a little bit heavier right at the break point, if I were to be picky.

Recoil is as tame as I could have hoped given the size and caliber (cartridge) of the pistol. While I won't carry +P in it, doing so would be totally reasonable. I have shot as many as 340 rounds in one session (under two hours) and am comfortable saying I could easily shoot this thing all day with standard pressure ammo, comfortably.

I did a meaningful back to back the other day, Shield vs P365. I used the extended 10 round mag on the P365 and the flush 7 round on the Shield (shield is still larger), and loaded both guns to 8 rounds with standard pressure 124gr (AE and Lawman). The Shield benefits from a full Apex trigger and duty/carry kit as well as a Talon grip (rubber texture).

Times and hits were basically dead even. NRA B8 target from low ready.

10 yards
Shield 7.81s
P365 7.63s

5 yards
Shield 2.97s
P365: 3.01s

I consider the hits dead even, didn't score them. The Shield rear sight is bumped slightly to the right to compensate for me, the P365 has not been scootched. Do that and it would be a dead heat every way possible. Except that the P365 is smaller and has room for 3 more rounds than what I used for that test.

Concerns
The striker is a MIM part and there are reports of the tip of the firing pin/striker breaking off. All of the primers look like the photo below. It seems the barrel is camming down and the slide is coming back before the striker retracts, and the striker is thus being drug laterally across the primers. Some of the drag marks get very close to the rim of the case.

Barrel wear and peening. This is mostly a concern because many pistols do NOT exhibit this, but it is also not uncommon. I get significant visible wear and peening that has progressed with the round count

For me, I am not ready to carry this pistol, but I'm close. If it wasn't for the primer strikes and knowing others have broken the tip off, I would stamp it as carry approved. So, need more time to get more feedback from others on how all of their primer strikes look (do all pistols look like this, or only some?) and see how commonplace broken firing pin/striker tips are, and see what Sig says about it. Hell, maybe somebody will make a dead nuts reliable aftermarket striker that is pure steel and not MIM? I don't know, I'm just not comfortable with this aspect.

That said, there is major potential here. It's hard to argue with 1,022 rounds of thus-far flawless function.


Oh, and about that Shield. It has a mere 430 rounds downrange, with about 120 JHP...and during that back to back comparison (I tried to do it a second time with each to verify results), I had a failure to feed with Federal HST 124+P using my #1 primary carry magazine. In my currently owned pistols, since I started tracking everything a few years ago, I have fired over 2,000 rounds of JHP and this failure represents literally the only JHP failure I have had with any of my currently owned handguns (ones that weren't up to that challenge were sold or traded).

So, if I was to pick up one of my small single stack pistols for highly discrete carry right now...it would be the P365 and not the Shield. I guess that's the bottom line.

But I'd really much rather have a Glock or H&K, so I almost always do what I need to conceal one of them (I do not own a G43)

Thanks for your report. I still haven't been able to find one in stock to check out. I ordered a Springfield XDs 45 Cal this week ( my 1st 45 Caliber). I just couldn't pass up the deal, especially with the mag promo that Springfield is offering till the end of June. The SIG 365 is most likely one that I will purchase next.