[triggerjerk]

Wolf and Tula are the lowest quality ammo that I have had experience with. Wolf chonos. just barely over 2,000fps consistently. I would buy Brown Bear or Golden Tiger anyday over Wolf or Tula. I don't have any personal experience with Uly. but it seems to have a better reputation than Wolf or Tula.

Well the tulammo HP seems to be extremely close to the 8M3 round, if not the same thing since tulammo is loaded by uly.
I have picked a bunch up just because of that.

 

[adamg01]

Well the tulammo HP seems to be extremely close to the 8M3 round, if not the same thing since tulammo is loaded by uly.
I have picked a bunch up just because of that.

I never took it for the gospel but I had also heard that Wolf and Tula come from the same plant.

 

[my762buzz]

I never took it for the gospel but I had also heard that Wolf and Tula come from the same plant.

TCW Tula was marketed under the Wolf name for a long time. Uly used to be independent of Tula and was marketed in a white box with blue highlights in the late 1990s, as sapsan at one time, and later as Mil Classic when some kind of management change occured. Currently Tula and Uly are under similar management. However, Wolf marketing currently uses Tula bullets and Tula ammo uses Uly bullets. Golden Tiger is Vympel. Barnaul makes the bear ammos, barnaul ammo, and monarch.


I am sure hardly anyone is going to believe this, but a few years ago Barnaul listed their mil spec read steel core line on the website for noncivilian sales.
The mil spec ammo was priced out at $60 per 1000 when commercial ammo was selling in the USA for $250 to $300 per 1000.

 

[Aceman]

Again - it's Zoo ammo. Yes, I prefer GT, but I'd never buy it if something else was significantly cheaper or wait if it wasn't available.

Everyone should scope/bench/Federal-Hornady-etc...their AK once just to really see the difference.

GOOD ammo will take a clean 1-2 MOA off most any AK...

 

[adamg01]

Again - it's Zoo ammo. Yes, I prefer GT, but I'd never buy it if something else was significantly cheaper or wait if it wasn't available.

Everyone should scope/bench/Federal-Hornady-etc...their AK once just to really see the difference.

GOOD ammo will take a clean 1-2 MOA off most any AK...

If you are like me and only use irons from a bench, Brown Bear or GT will serve you well. If you have the ability, center mass in no problem at 200 yards with irons. If I ever do decide to go the optics route, I might try some higher quality ammo.

I would definitely avoid Wolf ammo though. Buy Brown Bear even if it is a little more expensive. If you watch enough videos of Wolf being chonographed, you will see what I mean.

 

[Aceman]

I suspect that a serious scientific endeavor designed to test: Golden Tiger, Wolf, Bear, Tula, and whatever mass produced Russian ammo would show that they ALL have:

High variability, and average performance that was NOT statistically significantly different.

So let me say it again - for ALL practical purposes, ALL of thew ammo mentioned in this thread (well, nearly all) is pretty much the same.

Show me the average ccrono on 100 rounds of each, give me standard deviations, AND show me one that runs a MINIMUM of 300fps higher than another.

Anything less than this will not make any practical difference at any sensible AK shooting range.

 

[adamg01]

I suspect that a serious scientific endeavor designed to test: Golden Tiger, Wolf, Bear, Tula, and whatever mass produced Russian ammo would show that they ALL have:

High variability, and average performance that was NOT statistically significantly different.

So let me say it again - for ALL practical purposes, ALL of thew ammo mentioned in this thread (well, nearly all) is pretty much the same.

Show me the average ccrono on 100 rounds of each, give me standard deviations, AND show me one that runs a MINIMUM of 300fps higher than another.

Anything less than this will not make any practical difference at any sensible AK shooting range.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=napCSMHHe_w"]Review: Golden Tiger Ammo .223 and 7.62x39 - YouTube[/ame]

He didn't fire a hundred rounds but it is an honest evaluation from a good source. I trust his opinion over most, but you can find plenty of videos of Wolf on a chonograph. I don't care what kind of deal I can get on it, I don't buy it and I probably never will. Brown Bear is better ammunition and I assume Golden Tiger probably is as well. I am going to stick with these two until perhaps I put optics on one of my Ak's and I actually start shooting more accurately than my ammo.

 

[P.K.]

I've used Tiger and quickly got turned off to it. I fired 3 rounds of that stuff and had more smoke around me than what my muzzle loader puts out. It looked like someone set off a smoke bomb next to me. I couldn't even see the target in front of me. That happened 3 years ago and haven't touched the stuff since. I still have a unopened box that's been setting collecting dust. If you want good performance try out Fiocchi, Sellor & Bellot, and any American name brand ammo.

 

[Aceman]

I had my best group (sort of - don't ask) with Fiocchi

 

[DieselNut]

I actually had good luck out of norinco ammunition..

 

[Z71bill]

Not sure about now - but in the past -

Brown Bear, Barnaul and Monarch (Academy brand) were all the exact same round.

I shoot whatever is on sale and don't see all that much difference.

 

[drobs]

Another Golden Tiger FMJ fan here:

Bottom home build Romanian G rifle

shot this 100yd group with Golden Tiger FMJ

Need to adjust those sights a little more but the target looks awefully small at 100yds.

 

[Decguns]

From the testing we've done over the years, Lapua is the most accurate of all the available 7.62X39 ammo (including Chinese & African ammo made on Chinese equipment). Lapua was also the only brand that used true .311" diameter projectiles.

The least accurate ammo on the market is from Tula, whether it be branded TCW, Wolf, TulAmmo, etc... We found the projectiles were often out-of-round. I pulled projo's from a box of Wolf HP last year to find they varied from .3095" to .310". I also notice neck tension on some rounds so loose the projectiles nearly fell out on their own. Neck tension is very difficult to regulate with steel cased ammo under the best conditions. Too tight, and the neck will crack.

Out of the "zoo" ammo, I found the Brown Bear labelled ammo by Klimovsk with copper washed steel cases to be quite accurate. It's performance was on par with Chinese ammo of the same design. And it has a boat tail projo if you seriously have to have one. If you want good accuracy at an affordable price, just go with the American made fodder. I'm sure you can find one that is quite accurate in your rifle.

 

[adamg01]

From the testing we've done over the years, Lapua is the most accurate of all the available 7.62X39 ammo (including Chinese & African ammo made on Chinese equipment). Lapua was also the only brand that used true .311" diameter projectiles.

The least accurate ammo on the market is from Tula, whether it be branded TCW, Wolf, TulAmmo, etc... We found the projectiles were often out-of-round. I pulled projo's from a box of Wolf HP last year to find they varied from .3095" to .310". I also notice neck tension on some rounds so loose the projectiles nearly fell out on their own. Neck tension is very difficult to regulate with steel cased ammo under the best conditions. Too tight, and the neck will crack.

Out of the "zoo" ammo, I found the Brown Bear labelled ammo by Klimovsk with copper washed steel cases to be quite accurate. It's performance was on par with Chinese ammo of the same design. And it has a boat tail projo if you seriously have to have one. If you want good accuracy at an affordable price, just go with the American made fodder. I'm sure you can find one that is quite accurate in your rifle.

I will stick with Brown Bear and I am going to try some Golden Tiger. I knew Wolf was junk, and I had avoided Tula anyways. I get great results at 200 yards with irons from BB and I got no reason to switch. Thanks for the interesting read.

 

[Apetrulis01]

Thanks for all those who responded. Looks like Brown Bear and Golden Tiger for me.

Adam

 

[NEOH212]

What does "overall performance" mean to you?

The surplus Yugo corrosive stuff is supposed to be the most accurate. Need to follow the simple extra steps after you fire corrosive.

As far as steel cased, I always opt for FMJ for accuracy. HP and SP bullets for the most part aren't as accurate. I would rank what I have tried GT, Brown Bear, then Wolf (all FMJ). GT is by far the best out of my one and only AKM.

I've had good luck with the Yugo ammunition. It seems to be fairly accurate in my AK and SKS. It's a little dirty though and yes, cleaning is very important after shooting this ammo. Don't forget the gas tube either!!!

 

[GlockFanBoy25]

As stated earlier, I've had good luck with Golden Tiger. Has anyone else ever noticed when you clean the gun after shooting Golden Tiger ammo your patches are red?

I'm not sure if it's the residue combining with the cleaner I use (standard military CLP) or if it's just the ammo... It isn't an issue, just something I've observed.