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My new CZ P10C and Beretta APX

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Picked them both up and not much more to say than what is on the youtube reviews. I will say the trigger on the P10C is excellent but there is some take-up, a nice clean crisp break and very short reset. But, there is less take-up on the APX and it has a short reset as well, just not as light of a break.

I like the ergo's more on the APX and prefer the looks with the serations on the slide being very usable. The grip texture on the P10c is very aggressive, no tape needed there.

Below are the two new guns with my Zev Tech Tier 1 Glock 17 and my PPQ Navy M2. As far as my guns go, these are my best striker fired guns but the Zev is aftermarket, the rest stock. I would have to say, the P10C probably takes place at the top, just above the PPQ.



I look forward to the range time. I have well over 1000 rounfs of JHP and FMJ ready to go.
 
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I will say this, the only thing I find better from the CZ over the APX is the trigger. The APX has better ergos, looks, the slide is very easy to rack, etc...and all is of course subjective. For my tastes, the P10C trigger is 4.75 stars out of 5 while the APX trigger is 4/5...IMO of course. Some ammo waiting to be shot, waiting on another 250-300 rounds of FMJ.


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They both are solid but I think the APX being heavier, it feels more solid. The CZ is well built, great trigger but right now, I do like the APX more from an overall perspective but range time will be the telling feature.
 
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My P10c didn't even last a week.... gave it a chance on two trips out to redeem itself, and then traded it with a guy for a like new VP9 with third mag. Only paid $498 OTD for the P10, so I'm good with that.
The CZ was ok imo, but "only" ok. It didn't live up to the hype for me, and in shooting it alongside a few other pieces I guess I was just "underwhelmed." I will say it has a nice trigger/reset. It certainly felt nice when just handling it, but that didn't translate so much in actual shooting it for me. The controls were ridiculously stiff at first, but they loosened up a tiny bit by the end of the second run in the desert.
I'm sure glad the cz is around as another choice for those that like it... the more the better... but there's a few better choices for me personally.

I was out there cooking in 116 degrees loving the crap out of the VP9 today... now that's a good shooter for me.
The APX I fondled last week felt good in the hand... but I was having a tough time with the looks.... maybe I'll get over that and give it a try soon, too.
 
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It's interesting to see the evolution of striker-fired polymer type pistols. It appears you have two nice examples, congrats.

What is also interesting is to see Glock's response, or lack of response. I don't count cutting a few front serrations or color options as innovation. I suspect Glock's market share is substantial for the company to ignore competition from other makers. I wonder how long that will last?

For those that think Glock is "Perfection", just look at the huge aftermarket of parts and components to improve the pistols.
I agree, Willie. That said, I personally only look at pistols like this as carry guns. They aren't the sort of thing I get much joy in taking to the range. Therefore, Glock suits my needs.

I do have a Salient Tier I Strike One on the way, which should be an excellent shooter. I imagine I'll get rid of my stock Strike One once I have it. :cool:
 
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I shot around 200 rounds a piece through each gun today, all of the FMJ was 115gr, brass and aluminium while the JHP consisted of 115+p, 115 +p+, 124 +p, 147gr and 147gr+p. No issues at all, both guns are accurate as can be.

The grip stippling on the P10C is rough, puts marks on the palm and the trigger is absolutely superb. The APX is a soft shooting gun, with a good trigger, a bit of a soft trigger, especially after the P10C. The rest is longer, the break is less defined. However, the ergos on the APX are excellent, one of the best Ive held. I know everyone is different but I highly reccomend ether.

Both guns have very stiff slide catch/release, if used as such.
 
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The VP9 is a good looking pistol, as far as polymers go. I took my VP9 and APX to the range to compare them side by side, and the APX was the clear winner for me.
I'll agree on the looks of the VP now.... but I had to warm up to it, also. Picked up a VP40 for super cheap a while back so that sure helped make it "look" better, so it wasn't a concern for this VP9.
I suppose I can say that I don't think there is any really "good" looking polymer gun, just some that aren't as "utilitarian" (ugly) as others. Going into a store in the late 80's to buy one of the first Glock's to hit our area was quite the chore.... I think I handed it back to the guy several times because it seemed so disgusting in the days when a new Python could still be seen in the case at $599! I just picked up a NIB S&W 559 last Friday, and THAT is a classic beauty in my opinion... even if I am only one of the five people in the world that loves the looks of the "fat as a 2x4" early 59 series.
Classic "good" looks will always go to a variety of good old steel or even some steel/alloy frame pieces in my mind.
About the APX.... I think its the serrations and the way the frame/slide seems to extend so far back beyond the web of the hand... it just looks very disproportionate to me, even though it feels good in the hand.
Glad yours outperformed the VP, it makes me want to give one a try even more.
 
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I'm very impressed by the ergos of the APX. Time to add to the collection.
 
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