P80 had two 5,000 piece runs. That’s it no more. Since, the molds are the same they ran the Gen1 17. Just a different slide marking.

I hope they do a Gen1 19 next.

 

The P80 was a 40 year Anniversary commemorative addition of the gun designed for the Austrian Army. It’s essentially the same gun as the Gen 1 G17, so they’re probably just capitalizing on production efficiencies. The P80 was issued with certificates of authenticity for a specific run, so using the new exclusive as simply a Gen 1 G17 reproduction allows them to capitalize on already sunk costs with a new marketing angle.

 

They are both not made by Polymer 80.

 

I understand the above replies. Please forgive my redundance, are the pistols identical in every way except for the markings on the slide?

 

I have both and the only difference I've noticed is slide marking, the 17 has a special serial number. Pretty sure the P80 is a generic serial number.

 

Also have both and concur. The P80 has a 'P80' slide marking (instead of '17') and a standard serial number. The Gen 1 17 has a 5-digit numeric serial number with a GEN1 suffix and a '17' slide marking. Neither offering is a true Gen 1 as they are built on Gen 3 frames, slides, and internals. Lipsey's states that the finish on both is the nDLC coating used on Gen 5 Glocks, but it is not; it's the black finish over gas nitrided surface being used on current Gen 3s.

 

Lipsey's must be blind. P80/17 is an actual gun coating. Whereas Gen 5 is rattle can paint. The two are very different.

 

NO.....Wrong, the other way around. nDLC is a PVD coating finish, not paint.

I contacted them about the finish descriptions on website, and they admitted that it was wrong- apparently have not changed it. P80/17 are the same as current gen3/4 finish. Nitrided steel with a black powdercoat.

 

Thank you!

 

Thank you, Gents!

 

Not to get off subject but the Lipseys are not finished like Gen5

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/materials-science/diamond-like-carbon-coating#:~:text=Diamond%2Dlike%20carbon%20(DLC),the%20composition%20and%20processing%20method

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Anyone thinking that the previous Glock surface coatings are "better" than current gen5 nDLC, are mistaken.

 

I think the issue is defining what people mean by ”better.” It’s easy to assess corrosion resistance, which is most important in my mind for any finish, but most debates, at least with GLOCKs, center around cosmetic wear. I like the nDLC finish. I’m not an expert in coatings, so I don’t know how much better it performs in terms of corrosion resistance, or treating the metal, compared to GLOCK’s previous process. I do know, however, that the Gen 5 with nDLC will show more signs of use earlier, on the barrel and inside of the slide, compared to the previous Gen 4 and older treatment. It may just be a function of tighter Gen 5 tolerances, but that’s what most people seem to complain about.

 

The steel is still pretreated (nitride) on the gen5 guns (just like the previous gens) before the DLC type coating is applied, so "corrosion resistance" and surface hardness is not, or hardly different.

If you are talking about barrel hood wear - the Gen5 is supposedly more "fitting" and the tighter fit might be generating the wear pattern which is self limited.

I'm just posting the science, so people don't spout mis-information or misunderstand. On a practical basis, it might be brittle because it is much harder, but without side to side testing, its hard to know.

 

Apart from the appeal these two models will have to collectors, and the profit they will undoubtedly bring to the manufacturer, I think it's a bit peculiar to spend the time and resources to produce 2 "different" yet similar models. That said, if I had the means, I'd probably have both.

 

Apart from the appeal these two models will have to collectors, and the profit they will undoubtedly bring to the manufacturer, I think it's a bit peculiar to spend the time and resources to produce 2 "different" yet similar models. That said, if I had the means, I'd probably have both.

Well, I think you just figured it out: Glock exists to sell guns and they already had the molds so... profit!

I don't think these will get any sort of collector interest for about 30 years, and that's presuming they don't make additional runs. Fundamentally they're just Gen3s.