[Trident_Defense]

If you were using "range ammo" try with hotter ammo.
There is a difference in ejection with 115 "white box" vs 124 +P HST shooting my 19.
My 32 (357 Sig) ejects cases with enthusiasm.

Had the same issue. The 115 white box did not work 100% for us last week. I think from now on 124 is the lowest we will go.

 

[ironhead7544]

For a carry load, find ammo that you can not limp wrist into a malfunction. It is possible to get your hands injured. Try +P loads.

I use a 160 gr RN lead bullet for practice in the 9mm. It seems the heavier bullet has the right impulse to prevent limp wristing from being a problem. I have fired this load from all manner of 9mm firearms with no problem. With the carbines and SMGs, the cases just fall out at your feet but the gun just keeps working.

 

[Glock Commander]

FIRST - Is limp wristing something that has been studied and proved by scientific method or is it supported only by anecdotal evidence, or in other words - stories from experience? What is your take on it? YES and YES.

SECOND - What would you make of my gun's performance on its first outing? Any reason for concern or do Glocks require a certain "break in" period? That is something else that I have never been sure of. I have never read literature that came with a new gun talking about a "break in" period. I have seen quoted here and elsewhere that 500 rounds is an appropriate number of rounds to break in a pistol. What do you think? If you are only using FMJ for HD/SD I would be okay with only 50. Now if you are using JHP for SD you better be 100% reliable.

THIRD - Usually when I shoot a handgun accuracy may vary. The Glock, FN 5.7, and P-238 are among the best. (in that order) But with all of them my shots are to the left of bulls eye. Can anybody venture a theory as to why? Too little trigger finger on the trigger.

I have asked a lot of questions. I would be pleased if the experienced shooters among you would even venture to answer one. I really do appreciate it. You have my thanks in advance.

The Glock Commander is here as a public service to all Glocksters.

 

[sciolist]

I see this all the time when shooters go strong hand only, but mostly weak hand only, sometimes two hand from the weak side. It often appears to be relaxing the wrist. FWIW, almost never see this with steel frame guns.

Ya, normally one thinks of strong and especially weak-hand grip as where this kind of problem will present itself. Temps are starting to get up into the mid/upper 90's now, and my practice ammo is loaded with WST. I adjust the winter charge when temps get to 70 or so, and that's generally good into the 90's.

From a shooting performance standpoint, the main reason to have a very firm grip on the gun is to speed up splits. On single shots, unless the transitions are very close, there's usually plenty of time for the sights to return before the gun comes to the next target.

Shooting groups with no time parameter, there's really no reason to grip the gun hard at all - other than to prevent malfunctions. As long as the gun will run, I don’t want to add any force that could negatively affect follow-through.

Anyway, I thought this was pretty interesting: Check out the difference in ejection between the slow-fire group and the timed runs in first vid below. For the group, I’m gripping the gun with less force than I would weak-hand.

There’s some strong and weak at the end of the second vid below. The ejection is much more consistent there than it is on the slow-fire group. It was in the 80’s that day, but still you can see the general relationship between ejection and support of the gun, especially as power is getting close to the limit.

Gun and ammo are the same throughout both vid’s.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo__HO62q7A

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJVb9R-NAvM

 

[FireForged]

scientific? sure.. its called physics

 

[TGT]

Limp wristing is a real thing. But, if you have been a shooter for years and you don't experience this problem with your other pistols, then don't let any new pistol dictate how you will adapt to it. It should adapt to you!

You already have an ingrained style and way of shooting your guns which has worked for you. Right? This is especially important in an emergency. To try and get a new gun to fire reliably for you by making an effort to change your shooting style (which has otherwise always worked for you), will be like trying to change your handwriting or the way you ride your bike. My Kahr, G27, G33, & Para14 have always worked. If I bought a G42 or something else that persisted with this problem after I could find no other possible necessary minor repair or adjustment, I'D GET RID OF IT. I had a G23 that did this to me ALL THE TIME; I got rid of it. My G27 & G33 have no such attitude problems.

 

[n2g]

I don't doubt that a very weak grip can make a semi-auto malfunction, as the physics makes sense.

However, when I read posts made by guys with years of experience shooting semi-autos asking for troubleshooting help, and the standard answer is "limp wristing," I have to wonder. I'm certainly no expert, but I think too much may be blamed on limp wristing. Here's why:

I am a short small framed female with small hands, age 70, not athletic and don't work out, but I am healthy except for some osteoporosis. I rarely get to go shooting and have never practiced regularly even when I was young. I know I have weak hands because I can't open jars as I once could, etc. I recently fired my new Glock 26 and 19 for the first time ever, and my first time firing any semi-auto. I was expecting to have issues because of limp wristing, but I had none. I was using Speer Lawman 124 gr. and American Eagle 124 gr., standard pressure FMJ. It's my understanding these aren't the wimpiest of ammo, but they certainly are not hot, either. I probably fired about four or five magazines worth from each gun but I don't really recall. My hands did get tired after a while. I was taking turns with my oldest grandson and wasn't keeping count. I did have a very few brass to face with one of the guns but I don't remember which. I think this was probably due to my not fully controlling recoil or something. Grandson had no problem with BTF but one of the guns did have a FTF on the first or maybe second round with him, but he immediately cleared it and kept shooting. He was the very first to fire each new gun. No problems after that. He is 6' and played high school varsity football and baseball, but has more experience with rifles and bows (deer hunter) than with handguns, and he said he had probably caused the FTF somehow.

My point being, if I didn't have any malfunctions from a "grandmomma" weak, inexpert grip on my first time firing these Glocks, I just find it hard to believe that so many guys who shoot regularly are limp wristing badly enough to get multiple malfunctions with their pistol. This observation is in no way scientific, but I know my grip truly isn't that good (it couldn't be), and I was totally inexperienced with semi-autos. I'm just throwing this observation out there FWIW, which may not be much.

As I said, I understand that a weak grip can cause malfunctions in this type of handgun, but are so many experienced men really using THAT weak of a grip? It just seems unlikely to me.

 

[NoStress]

I believe the reason so many don't shoot a pistol well is they can't grip their weapon with the same force shot to shot,day to day,week to week. A friend of mine couldn't get his grip right his first time shooting my .45acp so I gave him a sack of nails, safety glasses, and my 28 ounce framing hammer to take home. Few people have a reason to repetitively grip anything with the same force so no muscle memory develops. You get the shock and some noise my way but other things would work. A consistent grip that is you can duplicate whenever you want will give the best results.

 

[tundracamper]

How the gun is supported is what one calls the "boundary condition," from a scientific standpoint. With a really limp wrist and loose grip, the gun is almost free floating. Guns are not designed to operate under such conditions. Changing the boundary condition has a huge affect on the dynamic operation of the cycle.

 

[Bravo One]

"LIMP WRISTING--WEAK GRIP HAND GUNNING":
The only thing I can add to the suggestion list is:
**"Stay Away" from all Foreign Ammunition(.)-Period** Same as "Food" that comes from China and especially for dogs and cats!!

**It sounds like "Ammunition" is the cause simply because they're not using "Million Dollar Loading Machines" like we do and they're not liable "Like We Are" for making inferior ammunition like we are because they're thousands of miles away, etc..

**I've fired 30-06 ammunition marked "...when 'ol Shep was a pup" and it fired flawlessly. So did 105mm Howitzer Rounds, full-charge or partial, timed or point detonating they all went BANG so it's probably best still to stick with the USA manufacturers.

**When incurring such, though, it's always good to check the "Simple Things First" like Ejectors, Firing Pins, Magazines, Feeding Ramps, Consistency &/or Firing Pin Indentation Consistency and/or to consider an "Occasional Hard Primer" which brings up the point of Assembly of Foreign Ammunition Makers and their choice of Primers...,

OTB GLOCKS ROCK(.)-PERIOD!!
(((if they don't, it's most often something else)))

Blessings~

 

[BuckyP]

While "limp wristing" is a factor, just like many other factors, I don't find it an acceptable excuse for malfunctions. Firearms need be designed to be able to cycle reliably with in spec ammo, and any type grip. The exception would be a grip threat interferes with the cycling of the slide.

Many, many years ago, guns were considered reliable, even if they didn't feed hollow points. It was excepted that they were a special case. That's no longer accepted, as hollow points are now main stream (except in NJ).

I know some here believe that they are perfect pistoleros, but consider this. The first person I had a conversation with that was involved in a CCW shootout, took a .380 to the wrist at the onset of the event.