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Kahr PM9 ?

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#1 ·
I like pocket carry. I have a couple P365's, G43, Seecamp .32... but have gone back to the J frames for pocket carry.
I have a Kahr MK9 but it's rather heavy in the pocket with the steel frame.
The MP9 has intrigued me and I notice they sell for $300.ish used on GB. Just watched one go through.
I assume this is because they are a 6 or 7 shot pistol and old hat to a lot of people.
They are also a smaller than the P365 and more pocketable in my opinion.
Sig Sauer P365 vs Kahr PM9 size comparison | Handgun Hero

Does anyone have anything negative to say about the PM9?
It's been a while since I shot the MK9 but I remember it not liking Winchester white box low powered stuff.
I generally don't have just one of anything important to me. Having the MK9 and several extra mags makes getting a PM9 an even easier decision.
I might have already won it but wasn't paying attention and the auction ended on me. No big deal as it looks like a regular thing on GB.
 
#2 · (Edited)
I have had three and one was a jamomatic. I have a CM9 that works well. Trigger is long but smooth. It requires a tight grip.

My only gripe is the magazines are low quality. They release the top round. You should reset the top round daily. Use a good magazine holder.

I would say the P365 is superior but I distrust the design. Mine are retired. The CM9 is still useful. It has its problems, but it still works reliably.
 
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Kahr does not make good guns; perhaps I should say their manufacturing and QC processes are lacking. I had two K9’s that were problems too. Two thirds of my Kahr guns were bad (four out of six). My CM9 cost $298 out the door and turned out to be a good deal.

All the Kahr nonsense is why I went to the Glock 26 approximately 20 years ago.
 
#5 ·
I even have a pocket holster for my G26's.
I refer to that as my movie theater rig. I don't like walking far with that in my pocket.
I can't do inside waist band carry. Good on y'all that can. If I bought all new pants that don't fit without a belt (too big)... I could work in a pinch. Still wouldn't like it.
I like pocket carry and options as small as a PM9 are ?????? (I'm looking around.)
 
#8 ·
They are thin enough for pocket carry, but the PM9 is a little on the large side for front pocket carry. It does fit nicely in a hip pocket.

That said, I carry mine in a front pocket in a Desantis holster. It works well in a SmartCarry and really well as an IWB gun.

Chambering the first round reliably requires the use of the slide stop, per the instructions. That is a compromise based on the minimal slide travel.
 
#9 ·
i had the CM9 when they first came out, i liked it, easy to shoot, wife even shot it good. i sold it off when i was having trouble gripping and operating the slide(nerve problem). it was a nicely made pistol, and i never had any trouble with it's quality.
after looking at the Handgun Hero comparison, i believe the two are nearly identical if you download the Sig 3 or 4 rounds.
they are quite different when comparing the triggers, but, i accept that. i have a S&W637 J, it is similar to the Kahr, except much heavier...
 
#10 ·
I think the Glock 43 is a much better design. I don't own a Sig 365, but based on what I read/seen, they are much better than the Kahr, too.

When not jamming, my PM9 shoots nice. Accurate, smooth.

Mags lose top round easy, as a spare mag carry.

In the gun, the top round can get caught under the feedramp. That is the poorest part of the design, very difficult to clear.

Chambering can require using the slide release. It is that poor or finicky of a design.

I'd really test hollow points carry ammo on this gun. Shoot enough of thosd, and you might decide not reliable enough to carry.

But size, grip, weight, sights, trigger, accuracy, those are all good design. Top of mag and feedramp to chamber design, not so much.
 
#11 ·
I have 2 PM9s. Flawless, and they shoot well. Had one along today. They compete with a KelTec PF9 for the most days per year.

Never had a problem with either, nor the mags. Quality ammo and proper fundamentals. 😎
 
#12 ·
My sample size is only one, but my PM9 has been great. Bought it used. Missed any break in issues

Came will four mags and all feed fine. Bought a P365, but thinking of selling it. I can pocket the PM9 some days, but not the P365.

For me it is a handful with the flush mags, but the extended ones allow me enough of a grip that it is fun to shoot.
 
#15 ·
I also bought mine, the all black version, used. It has been flawless. I'm not a large guy so it is slightly large and a little tight for me for front pocket carry. But fits fine for cargo or looser front pockets for hiking. It excels and disappears as a summer under a T-shirt OWB CCW.

It is accurate and will bench rest group well ( 4" or so at 25 yd) if I do my part. But is meant for closer work.

Mine functions great with MAGGUTS. So it is 7+1 for the flush mag, 8 rds with extended mag. Mine groups well with Fed HST 147 +P (I still have some). Rem GS 124+P also centers nicely.

It's what I carry when I want a 9 mm (not .380 pocket carry) and I really want it to disappear and be so comfortable I forget it's there.
 
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The only thing I really don't like about Kahr pistols is ammunition escaping the spare magazine.

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Have you tried ammo armor?

 
#18 ·
I’ve had a PM9 since around 2007, and haven‘t had any issues with the gun. Really smooth trigger, reliable, and shoots well. At the time it was definitely the best sized gun for the caliber for carry.

Of course, times have changed, and I carry the P365 now because it holds more rounds and its been reliable. I do still carry the Kahr P380 as a pocket carry piece. Great little gun.

Over the years, I’ve heard about issues with Kahrs, but the 3 I’ve owned have been flawless. Unfortunately, Kahr has not kept up with the trend of increasing mag capacity, so I’ve pretty much retired my PM9, sold my CW45, and still carry my P380. I’d sell my PM9 if i ever run into somebody that wants it. Great gun, but so many other options these days.
 
#21 ·
About 20 years ago, I had three P9s, my wife had a K9, P9, and T9. They were decent enough guns, but more ammo finicky than the SIG and Glocks that we had. We both did like the triggers on them, having done a bit of revolver shooting before.

During the 90s, lots of officers at my department liked them for BUG/off-duty use. But that was before the small micro/compact 9mm craze of today.
 
#22 ·
I have a PM9, which is probably close to 20 years old. I used to carry it on a regular basis but other guns took center stage and I have neve gone back to carrying the PM9. Mine worked fine and shot well but the round count leaves a lot to be desired. My P365X and XL carry 15 rounds in their basic 12-round magazines with the MagGuts spring kit and work great. Same with the M&P Shield Plus 10-round magazine with the three extra rounds with this kit giving 13+1 in a small carry gun.
 
#24 ·
I carried Kahrs for 12 years. Started with a PM9, which I carried year around. Then got a P9 a few years later. Once I had both, the PM9 was pocket carried in the summer, and the P9 was carried IWB during the cooler months. Never had any trouble with either of them, both have been 100% reliable since day one.

Retired them both when I got a P365. They're just safe queens now, but I have no plans to get rid of them.

I've been thinking about getting a K9. No practical reason to have it, just want one.
 
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I bought one right after they came out and were the only small 9mm on the market. Mine had a couple of jams the first time I shot it but started working well after that break in. Until it started dropping the magazine due to the early ones like mine having a polymer mag catch. Kahr sent me the metal one used in later models which fixed that problem. But after several hundred more round it started to have stovepipes and failure to feed jams. Changing the recoil spring mostly solved that but I had lost all trust in the gun and sold it to someone that had to have one despite my complaints about the reliability.

Its still smaller than most other micro 9s but I don't think the small decrease in size makes up for the increased risk of the gun not working when you need it to. If others like the one I had are out there just because it is working fine now doesn't mean it will be reliable next month or with a different type of ammo. Mine was finicky and carry guns should not be finicky, they should just work like my Glock 43 or Shield Plus.
 
#27 ·
I like pocket carry. I have a couple P365's, G43, Seecamp .32... but have gone back to the J frames for pocket carry.
I have a Kahr MK9 but it's rather heavy in the pocket with the steel frame.
The MP9 has intrigued me and I notice they sell for $300.ish used on GB. Just watched one go through.
I assume this is because they are a 6 or 7 shot pistol and old hat to a lot of people.
They are also a smaller than the P365 and more pocketable in my opinion.
Sig Sauer P365 vs Kahr PM9 size comparison | Handgun Hero

Does anyone have anything negative to say about the PM9?
It's been a while since I shot the MK9 but I remember it not liking Winchester white box low powered stuff.
I generally don't have just one of anything important to me. Having the MK9 and several extra mags makes getting a PM9 an even easier decision.
I might have already won it but wasn't paying attention and the auction ended on me. No big deal as it looks like a regular thing on GB.
I have 2 kahr pm9. Shoot steel at 80 yards with them. Coming from a revolver background (cop 1973 to 2001) I really like the very smooth DA trigger. I put Truglo sights on them.
 
#28 ·
I bought my PM9 used. The previous owner had sent it to Bowie Tactical for stippling of the frame, reliability work, and the installation of night sights. It has performed very well for me, and is one of my primary carry guns. I have never experienced the top round pop out problem some other PM9 owners have, but I just purchased some 8 rounders for it. We shall see.....
 
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#29 ·
Kahr PM9 is a fine gun. I own two of them and have fired enough rounds trough both to really get to know the gun (i.e., 8k rounds through one and 5.1k rounds through the other). Here are some minor issues with PM9 to be aware of:
  1. The "front leg" of the OEM plastic magazine follower is prone to break as it hit the end of the feed ramp upon recoil. If you ship the gun back to the factory, the remedy they perform is so called "rampectomy" - trimming of the end of the feed ramp on the barrel. Both of my PM9's suffered occasional breakage of the magazine followers, and Kahr sent me replacement followers. However, a minor "rampectomy" with a Dremel on both barrels was required to permanently fix the problem. (Now that I use MagGuts+1 in my PM9s, I do not have to worry about is anyway.)

  2. The cocking cam spring inside the frame is destined to break after about 4k - 5k rounds as happened with both of my PM9s. When it happens, the gun becomes a "single-shot" pistol.:LOL: The spring itself is not expensive, and Kahr sells all factory parts (except the frame) directly to public. Unlike Glocks, however, disassembling Kahr's lower to replace the broken spring inside and reassembling it is a PITA.

  3. The swirl shaped slide stop spring is rather weak and easy to bend, which often results in the slide stop lever gets actuated accidentally/unintentionally. So, you need to replace the slide stop lever periodically (more often than you would replace Glock's slide stop spring).

  4. Because of the small size, even after the 250 rounds "break-in" recommended by the manufacture, Kahr CM9/PM9 are relatively more ammo-sensitive than, say for example, the G43 is.
I would not call these as "serious issues" or problems. If you carry it a lot and not shoot it a lot, Kahr PM9 would be suitable for CCW, especially as a "pocket carry-able" 9mm subcompact.