[StarShip2100]

The frame rails appear the same but they are not. A G18 upper wont even fit on the first set of rails on a 17 lower. Same situation vice versa. Actually a pretty simple and ingenious way to stop people from swapping around G18 stuff.

I believe that to be correct because the 17/19 had to have different rail dimensions to be allowed as import.

 

[Glocks&Ducs]

I thought the lower was the same as the 17 frame? A 17 upper can be modded to full-auto fire. Hefty price for what appears to be a first gen frame.....

Well, if 9mmXray is correct. That doesn't matter, because all you are doing is modifying a G17 to shoot full auto on its G17 frame.

That doesn't mean you can put a modified G17 upper on a true G18 frame.

 

[9mmXRAY]

That is interesting. With the comment, "Glock 18 lower half, the registered half so ATF says after an employee stole the upper" by the person auctioning it, it almost sounds like their hands are tied when it comes to selling the lower as a regular lower. Not because of a physical difference, but because the ATF is forcing the issue because of the serial number on the "registered half".

That lower is a registered post ban machinegun. Available only to class III dealers with a LE demo letter. It will NOT work with any other glock uppers except a G18/G18C.

Its basically for sale as a replacement part for somebody who already owns a G18.

 

[Glocks&Ducs]

I believe that to be correct because the 17/19 had to have different rail dimensions to be allowed as import.

Frame rail sizes have changed several times since Glocks have been imported. They have no influence on import points that I am aware of. Can you enlighten us?

 

[Glocks&Ducs]

That lower is a registered post ban machinegun. Available only to class III dealers with a LE demo letter. It will NOT work with any other glock uppers except a G18/G18C.

Its basically for sale as a replacement part for somebody who already owns a G18.

Yes. I understand that. And it goes back to the original point I made. He seems to be complaining that the lower is what is registered as a machine gun, even though it was the upper that was stolen. Thereby, preventing him from selling the lower as a regular lower.

 

[9mmXRAY]

Yes. I understand that. And it goes back to the original point I made. He seems to be complaining that the lower is what is registered as a machine gun, even though it was the upper that was stolen. Thereby, preventing him from selling the lower as a regular lower.

Funny thing also because the G18 upper is also considered a machinegun because it has a select fire switch and contains all the full auto operating parts. If you own a G18 upper and do not have permission ... it falls under "Constructive Intent" thats the same as owning a fully operational machinegun without the right to.

Same crime... different names.

 

[9mmXRAY]

Glock serial number thread lists DU prefix as first and second gen G18s.

I believe the one I fired was the 1st Gen since it is compensated.

Ok cool I wasnt sure if they considered the G18 and G18C models or generations I think I'm gonna ask the owner because he's had it for like 10 years.

 

[StarShip2100]

Frame rail sizes have changed several times since Glocks have been imported. They have no influence on import points that I am aware of. Can you enlighten us?

From what I understand - The GLOCK 18 appears identical to the GLOCK 17, with the addition of the selector level. However, the internal dimensions of the main parts of the GLOCK 18 are slightly different from the GLOCK 17, and are not interchangeable. This was done by Glock so that the GLOCK 17 could not be considered a semi-automatic version of the GLOCK 18, but rather they are two separate guns for import. Some countries and jurisdictions have laws that place special restrictions on semi-automatic versions of full-automatic weapons, and if the GLOCK 18 were identical to a GLOCK 17, the GLOCK 17 would fall under those laws and be unavailable in those jurisdictions.

 

[AustinTx]

From what I understand - The GLOCK 18 appears identical to the GLOCK 17, with the addition of the selector level. However, the internal dimensions of the main parts of the GLOCK 18 are slightly different from the GLOCK 17, and are not interchangeable. This was done by Glock so that the GLOCK 17 could not be considered a semi-automatic version of the GLOCK 18, but rather they are two separate guns for import. Some countries and jurisdictions have laws that place special restrictions on semi-automatic versions of full-automatic weapons, and if the GLOCK 18 were identical to a GLOCK 17, the GLOCK 17 would fall under those laws and be unavailable in those jurisdictions.

Why does it matter if the G17 is a semi-auto version of a G18 or not? Maybe the G18 just happens to be the full-auto version of a G17. I believe that the obviously identical parts, between the 2 models is, in fact identical. There's no reason that it shouldn't be. They already have different model numbers, to differentiate the fact they are different guns.

The US M14 and M16 have full auto capability and are sold in the USA as a semi-auto version. What is the source of information that shows that common parts are not interchangeable?

 

[Glocks&Ducs]

From what I understand - The GLOCK 18 appears identical to the GLOCK 17, with the addition of the selector level. However, the internal dimensions of the main parts of the GLOCK 18 are slightly different from the GLOCK 17, and are not interchangeable. This was done by Glock so that the GLOCK 17 could not be considered a semi-automatic version of the GLOCK 18, but rather they are two separate guns for import. Some countries and jurisdictions have laws that place special restrictions on semi-automatic versions of full-automatic weapons, and if the GLOCK 18 were identical to a GLOCK 17, the GLOCK 17 would fall under those laws and be unavailable in those jurisdictions.

There is a chart that shows what features constitute eligibility for import points. Unless I am mistaken, frame rail size is not on there.

 

[Bren]

There's a G17C with G18 sear installed on subguns.com for $950.

Is there a way that can be legal?

 

[StarShip2100]

Why does it matter if the G17 is a semi-auto version of a G18 or not? Maybe the G18 just happens to be the full-auto version of a G17. I believe that the obviously identical parts, between the 2 models is, in fact identical. There's no reason that it shouldn't be. They already have different model numbers, to differentiate the fact they are different guns.

The US M14 and M16 have full auto capability and are sold in the USA as a semi-auto version. What is the source of information that shows that common parts are not interchangeable?

First of all, you are think to narrow. Its not just an american market firearm.

 

[Glocks&Ducs]

Why does it matter if the G17 is a semi-auto version of a G18 or not? Maybe the G18 just happens to be the full-auto version of a G17. I believe that the obviously identical parts, between the 2 models is, in fact identical. There's no reason that it shouldn't be. They already have different model numbers, to differentiate the fact they are different guns.

The US M14 and M16 have full auto capability and are sold in the USA as a semi-auto version. What is the source of information that shows that common parts are not interchangeable?

I believe the frame rails on the G18 are at a different height, thereby precluding the assembly of a G17 slide onto the G18 frame.

US M14s and M16s are not sold in the US as semi-autos. If an M14 or M16 was EVER a machine gun, it is classified as a machine gun for life, even if it has semi-auto parts in it at the present time. In order to own one of these, you must possess a license to own a machine gun. An M1A1 and AR15 have to be modified, in some cases heavily modified, in order to be machine guns. That would be the same as milling new slide rails on a G17 upper so that it could fit on a G18 lower.

 

[Glocks&Ducs]

Is there a way that can be legal?

Why not? Register the modified gun as a machine gun, pay the tax stamp, and fire away.

Or actually, register the gun as a machine gun, modify it, then pay the tax stamp.

 

[AustinTx]

I believe the frame rails on the G18 are at a different height, thereby precluding the assembly of a G17 slide onto the G18 frame.

US M14s and M16s are not sold in the US as semi-autos. If an M14 or M16 was EVER a machine gun, it is classified as a machine gun for life, even if it has semi-auto parts in it at the present time. In order to own one of these, you must possess a license to own a machine gun. An M1A1 and AR15 have to be modified, in some cases heavily modified, in order to be machine guns. That would be the same as milling new slide rails on a G17 upper so that it could fit on a G18 lower.

You either can't read or comprehend, one or the other. I can already tell that I'm not gonna waste anymore time, in this tread, goodby.

 

[Glocks&Ducs]

You either can't read or comprehend, one or the other. I can already tell that I'm not gonna waste anymore time, in this tread, goodby.

Either that, or you have a problem conveying your thoughts into words. But since you aren't going to stick around, I guess we will never find out. Bye.

 

[Bren]

Why not? Register the modified gun as a machine gun, pay the tax stamp, and fire away.

Or actually, register the gun as a machine gun, modify it, then pay the tax stamp.

And the part about it being illegal to register any machineguns made after 1986?

 

[Glockdude1]

Why not? Register the modified gun as a machine gun, pay the tax stamp, and fire away.

Or actually, register the gun as a machine gun, modify it, then pay the tax stamp.

New machine guns (including that G18 lower) made after May 1986, can only be owned by Govt/LE.

 

[Glocks&Ducs]

Ah yes. The old 86 rule. For some reason, I was under the impression that one could get a type of FFL that would allow one to deal in machine guns, and that once you had such a license you could posess machine guns, even if they are new.

 

[SCC]