I don't see how dry firing can solve this.
You just have to take your trigger finger off the trigger when you're not firing. I think you're overthinking it

 

This... I do get people naturally do this but its taught early on to not to do that... I think the best way is literally set something up like your competition(ive never done them only seen them on TV they just never interested me so I don't know exactly how yours works) but go through the course and have the other person yell at you to get your finger off the trigger any time you're done firing is what id do.
Thats how they did it in boot camp for those that had never shot a M16 or 1911 before...and remember at least id say 20% of your basic training/boot camp soldiers have never actually shot a gun. OR at least been trained right on it. they will 100% get it oned a Drill Sgt/Instructor yells at them.. hell have them make you drop and give them 20 every time

 

I think dry fire will help. Basically, it is the same thing as erasing a training scar by repetition of proper form. I would also suggest you look at the DryFireMag. Constantly racking your slide after a trigger press can create a new training scar that you don't want. (I've heard of folks needlessly racking the fire during a competition because of this scar). The DryFireMag allows you unlimited trigger presses without racking and you can dial in the trigger weight. It isn't exactly the same as your real trigger press, but close enough. Dry Fire Training | Practice Shooting At Home - DryFireMag

 

Another vote for the DriFire Magazine. Programming yourself is the right answer, but you’ll need to do it after a string, not just one shot. Then, add in movement.

 

Not having my finger on the trigger is so ingrained in my brain that when ever I pickup anything with a trigger, power tool. toy gun, etc my finger is off the trigger. Get a toy gun and carry it when ever you can with finger off the trigger. You have a lot of years of bad habit to break. If I invite someone to shoot at my private range they only get invited once if I see bad finger discipline.

 

Not having my finger on the trigger is so ingrained in my brain that when ever I pickup anything with a trigger, power tool. toy gun, etc my finger is off the trigger. Get a toy gun and carry it when ever you can with finger off the trigger. You have a lot of years of bad habit to brake. If I invite someone to shoot at my private range they only get invited once if I see bad finger discipline.

American kids who grew up playing Army, and Cops & Robbers and Cowboys & Indians and consequently learned bad trigger discipline at a young age and it was reinforced by watching movie actors on television and in the movies doing the same thing.

I was fortunate that my father taught me to keep my finger out of the trigger guard when I got my first .22.

I've never liked dry-firing any gun and especially not repeatedly, and especially if you have to rack the slide after every shot. Glocks are pretty hard to "Wear Out" but why put unnecessary wear on your carry gun?

The DriFire magazines might help in this regard but maybe it's just a matter of making up your mind not to do it and to be deadly serious about it.

Some researchers believe it takes between 1000 and 5,000 repetitions of an activity for it to become second nature to you (Muscle Memory) but another thing I had to become deadly serious about that a lot of peopl ehave never learned was where my muzzle was pointed at any given time and that had nothing to do with muscle memory.

 

You could try placing a small piece of skateboard tape on the frame of the gun where your index finger should rest when it is off the trigger. This may help give you a tactile indicator that your finger is off the trigger. It should really be as soon as your sights are off target you remove your finger from the trigger. Don’t quit IDPA. It’s the fastest way to learn and get better.

 

Move faster so the RSO can't see you....

 

LOL, I see everything when I SO.

 

I don't see how dry FIRING will ingrain THE most basic gun safety rule. Maybe you can "dry-NOT-fire" to ingrain it.

To me, it's a mental thing, not a physical thing. Live the "Four Rules." My kids had to recite the Four Rules before being allowed to touch a firearm.

@K1500 made a good suggestion, I think.

Finger OFF the trigger!

 

I don't see how dry FIRING will ingrain THE most basic gun safety rule. Maybe you can "dry-NOT-fire" to ingrain it.

To me, it's a mental thing, not a physical thing. Live the "Four Rules." My kids had to recite the Four Rules before being allowed to touch a firearm.

@K1500 made a good suggestion, I think.

Finger OFF the trigger!

Yet that is exactly how dry fire helps, to ingrain something you are not doing.

 

IDPA Rules
2.6 Fingers
2.6.1 Fingers must be obviously and visibly outside the trigger guard during loading, unloading, drawing, holstering,
while moving (unless engaging targets) and during malfunction clearance.
2.6.1.1 First offense is a Procedural Error penalty.
2.6.1.2 Second Offense is a DQ from the match.
2.6.1.3 Each “Finger” violation will be clearly noted on the shooter’s score for tracking purposes.

 

Harsh, I prefer the old rule as a warning, but this is the rule. Far too many new shooters either ride the trigger when off the sights or keep their trigger finger inside the guard. I have DQ some SO for this.

 

Enlist a friend to smack you in the head every time you violate the rule. And I'm talking a HARD smack.

 

Dry gun handling will fix this. It should take a few weeks to create the habit.

Paul Gomez recommended, which I thought was ridiculous at the time, extending the trigger finger upward to the ejection port. This is an exceptionally exaggerated position that can be uncomfortable for the joint. However, in your case, DO THIS. It lets your brain know where you finger is using a very mentally noticeable position. Move the finger to the frame just above the trigger after you develop the habit.

Repetition is the key while reciting the gun safety rules (there are 3, 4, or 5 depending upon who you talk to).

FYI: The fifth rule is to use the gun’s safeties and controls. For 1911’s, this means the thumb and grip safeties. For guns like the SIG P226, use the decocker and don’t keep the gun cocked. As always, never let the safety become an excuse to violate the other rules.

 

Dry gun handling will fix this. It should take a few weeks to create the habit.

Paul Gomez recommended, which I thought was ridiculous at the time, extending the trigger finger upward to the ejection port. This is an exceptionally exaggerated position that can be uncomfortable for the joint. However, in your case, DO THIS. It lets your brain know where you finger is using a very mentally noticeable position. Move the finger to the frame just above the trigger after you develop the habit.

Repetition is the key while reciting the gun safety rules (there are 3, 4, or 5 depending upon who you talk to).

FYI: The fifth rule is to use the gun’s safeties and controls. For 1911’s, this means the thumb and grip safeties. For guns like the SIG P226, use the decocker and don’t keep the gun cocked. As always, never let the safety become an excuse to violate the other rules.

Karl Rehn and his crew teach the same. And it can get a bit uncomfortable after a long string of fire. 😳 (My problem was letting my trigger finger drift down while reloading).

 

Sure dry fire & movement will help solve this. You are subconsciously doing it so you need a conscious fix thru repetition. Its one of the things I work hard on with new students, that & safe movement on a stage. On sights, on trigger, off sights, off trigger. It is really that simple.

 

Your dry practice is ok but the issue imo, is you are fingering the trigger while moving or manipulation the pistol; malfs & reloads. So incorporate movement in your dry practice, do reloads with dummy rds. Record it if possible because you wont be watching the gun but looking where you are going. 99% of shooters riding the trigger have no idea they are doing it.

 

I think the idea of not dryfiring is better for you. Lots of dry gun handling and carrying in-hand with proper trigger finger discipline is what you need if off-trigger isn't fully automatic. Finger on-trigger as part of the act of shooting needs to be the conscious decision while off-trigger needs to be the unconscious go-to response. It sounds like you have this backwards and need lots of hours holding a gun without shooting it to break a bad habit. Maybe tape a gun to your hand with finger up in the ejection port everyday for a few hours until it sticks if you can't remember. Personally I would probably stop shooting and dryfiring entirely until this is corrected to drill it in.

 

I think the idea of not dryfiring is better for you. Lots of dry gun handling and carrying in-hand with proper trigger finger discipline is what you need if off-trigger isn't fully automatic. Finger on-trigger as part of the act of shooting needs to be the conscious decision while off-trigger needs to be the unconscious go-to response. It sounds like you have this backwards and need lots of hours holding a gun without shooting it to break a bad habit. Maybe tape a gun to your hand with finger up in the ejection port everyday for a few hours until it sticks if you can't remember. Personally I would probably stop shooting and dryfiring entirely until this is corrected to drill it in.

Lol, you just said dry fire wont fix it?🤣 This can totally be fixed with discipline dry fire Or range time with instructor, but dry fire is cheap.

 

Getting DQed a couple of times will cure him of that.

 

You would think, but i have dq the same guys for the same reasons. You train your way out of bad habits.

 

Good news is you’ve recognized a major problem before you blew a hole in your leg or your kids/grandkids.

Very dangerous. Hope you get it fixed.

 

Really. Do you fart in church?

 

It's called Master Grip. Even a girl can do it....

 

Dry fire and ensure you return to finger straight every time. Every time you find your anywhere near the trigger, you have to put a dollar in a jar to give to your spouse. Like a swear jar. That should break the habit fast.

 

DOnt ask dont tell?

 

So you think it's OK to let them keep coming back until they mess up bad enough they hurt themselves or another shooter. Yea that makes a lot of sense.

 

Your club isnt helping, they are covering their ass. Again, there are DQ that are basically admin, no real safety issue. So instead of a lazy, we know what best banning, why not try to help the shooter be better. Just how I roll. DQ is punishing enough but banning, not helping just covering the clubs liability.

 

Obviously, being aware of this issue is a major step forward, but I don’t know you allowed yourself to become so cavalier about your trigger discipline given that it is drilled into all of us from day 1. I would look into some private training sessions where you can work 1:1 specifically on shooting and movement with the emphasis on keeping your finger off the trigger. If that doesn’t work, maybe guns aren’t for you. Just because we all have the right to own a gun doesn’t necessarily mean we all should.

 

Hilarious.

Some want to act like this guy shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a gun even though nothing has actually occurred.

But in a different thread some would act like an ND is all but inevitable and not that big a deal...

 

20 second instructional video:

 

Trigger control is not instinctive. It’s taught. Give a 6 year old a water pistol or 80 year old grandmother. Finger instantly starts on the trigger.
Whoever taught you shoulda been observing and correcting this cause now you’ve got a long history of practicing this in.
Muscle memory will only be developed by doing something over and over til it’s part of you. Go in your garage, basement, yard/woods if you can (that’s best) and run a dry gun through the paces. Eventually you can go to hot gun but emphasis on safety not speed and accuracy. You don’t want split your attention. Each time you come off the gun your finger off the trigger. Start slow so you’d be thinking about it and develop speed as required. Realize it’s not 1,2,3 I figured it out now I’m good. Muscle memory takes repetition over time.
Another idea, If you have friends that have good observation skills have them watch/correct

 

I've read through this thread and well, YIKES. It reinforces why internet advice is suspect.

Unlearning bad habits is of course possible. It takes diligence, positive reinforcement (which you have done @OldBones9mm with the verbal portion) and then relearning proper habits. It's going to take some time, and YES, dryfire will help.

One of the 4 laws is 3. Keep Your Finger Off the Trigger until You are Ready to Shoot. This need to be stitched in to who you are along with the other 3 if you really want to be consider a fully safe firearms handler. When my boys were young, every time we got in the car, the 4 rules of gun safety were repeated until they could say them without pause. It was hammered into them every time they touched a firearm. If you hand either one a firearm today, they open the action and check it. I handed them firearms with dummy rounds in the chambers many times while they were around 10 to 14 years old to reinforce Rule #2.

Keep at it, let your close friends and family help you break the habits as well. How that looks is case specific.

Kudos for the recognition and desire to self correct.

 

Try drawing and leaving your finger off the trigger. Go low ready with the finger off the trigger. Muscle memory.

 

One should never go to the trigger on the draw, never. This is how the vast majority of ND go, finger on trigger at the draw.