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How To Win A Gunfight

4.1K views 47 replies 24 participants last post by  G26-Has-my-6  
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Article

Very good read from the NRA Shooting Illustrated.

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Article

Very good read from the NRA Shooting Illustrated.

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I have been preaching this for decades. You will never rise to the occasion, though you may still win. The more your gun skills are automatic, the more free brain space you have for solving the ever changing event in front of you. Train, practice, repeat, 21-91.
 
#4 ·
The best way to win a gun fight is to not get into one. The 2nd best way to win a gun fight is to be aware of your surroundings so you notice the criminals and weirdos around you prior to sh&t going sideways. The 3rd way to win a gun fight is to avoid the areas where criminals associate. You shouldn’t be in the “hood” at all, but especially not at night.
The “not being in the hood” doesn’t apply if you’re paid by your job to be there or go there.
 
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All well & good but bad things happen to good people in good places, broad daylight. It wont matter much if you see it coming & cant really do anything effective. That wont be the time to figure out your skill is lacking & maybe you should have had that training class & spent a few hours a month practicing?
 
#5 ·
Avoid it.
If you can't avoid it have a gun. (and be proficient with it, article)
Try to not get shot (we will come back to this point)
Don't run out of bullets (5 shots is deficient compared to 11+)
Hope your bullets stop (incapacitate) threat(s) before they shoot you (its not just about shot placement)
 
#7 ·
1.) You can’t outdraw an already drawn gun

So practice situational awareness. Criminals are much more crafty than law abiding individuals give them credit for. I suggest carrying a pocket gun in addition to a belt gun. Having a hand on your pocket pistol or revolver without brandishing it is key. Practice drawing in under one second using this pocket gun technique and firing via point shooting while you are moving laterally away from the threat

2.) Weapon retention

It will likely be up close and very violent. Have the physical capability to retain your weapon and have a good knife on your off hand side such as the Kbar TDI. Consider taking some Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu or Krav Maga courses. Be fit.

Work out as close to daily as possible. Eat right. Keep your mind sharp. This is crucial and likely more important than any weapons or gear you may carry. Live healthily and you will be much more prepared for a life threatening scenario.

3.) Shoot until slide lock or until the threat has stopped

I don’t care what the statistics say. A criminal intending to do you harm will likely take multiple rounds from a handgun unless you hit the CNS. Doing so at a moving target is daunting. Expect to have to place multiple rounds on the threat and you likely will not have perfect “shot placement.” You will also likely be shot, particularly in the arms, hands and or the gun itself. Stay in the fight. Carry a backup weapon like a G42, J-Frame, P365, etc.

4.) Carry a tourniquet

Keep one on your person. And another in your vehicle, bag, etc. Take a medical course in order to professionally use a tourniquet for yourself or for others who are wounded such as an active shooter event.

5.) Act decisively and aggressively

You want to survive. You want to get back home to your family. Do whatever it takes to accomplish this using any means necessary at your disposal. Train. And train some more. Ideally, you want to retain as much as possible down to muscle memory.
 
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5.) Act decisively and aggressively

You want to survive. You want to get back home to your family. Do whatever it takes to accomplish this using any means necessary at your disposal. Train. And train some more. Ideally, you want to retain as much as possible down to muscle memory.
THAT is precisely correct. Which means it might be tactically necessary to shoot while advancing. Not a popular point of view, but I train that way. My goal is to survive, or ensure my loved ones do.
 
#34 ·
You can also do everything wrong & win.
 
#44 · (Edited)
This. There's also some misconception that a seasoned criminal is going to walk up to you from the front, stick his gun in your face and tell you to empty out your pockets, giving the couch operator who watched that scene from Collateral dozens of times the chance to pull some secret squirrel move and gain control of the gun hand like you see in the movies.

No. He will walk up to you from about 20 feet away behind you or on your flank with his gun already out and pointed right at you and he will tell you to empty out your pockets. So you've been training AIWB speed drills?

Great. You'll be dead when you try to go for that custom stippled hydro dipped G19 with the double undercut, compensator, speed bump, punisher logo, RMR and X300 in the TREX sidecar rig under your 5.11 button up.
 
#45 ·
The key word in gun fight is FIGHT...with everything you have...focus your effort and violence like a laser and persevere. Winning in such situations is often nothing more than sheer determination than anything else. If you've never been hit in the face before you won't ever be prepared for a fight of any kind. If you've never trained in any kind of close combat where you actually had to deal with another human in close proximity you aren't prepared. Its hard to simulate getting shot but learning how to take a punch is a start. The psychological effects of blunt trauma are greater than you imagine and your reaction to that attack will be shock and flight because your unconscious brain will overwhelm your conscious brain--unless you've experienced it some. You have to prepare your brain for the body's automatic and primordial response to violence. Like I said...if you've never been punched in the face you don't understand even 20% what's waiting for you.

I don't care how fast your stroke is or what your split times are. Tell me what they are after you've been punched in face and had your nose broken and stars are going off in your eyes while you try to process what just happened...your not as good or as fast as you think you are under those conditions...guaranteed!

Yeah yeah yeah...situational awareness etc.. Its the fight you don't see coming that will kill you. And predators know how to pounce. Your fight won't happen at 7 or 10 yards against a stationary target...
 
#47 · (Edited)
Many of the posts contain good ideas, written by some (by no means all) who however well intended, have never been in or near a gun fight (imo) outside of the digital world.

For example - the only time I want to advance on the target is when I am beyond certain their is not a second/or more shooter(s), and/or I am positive there is no other escape route than through the shooter. First instinct should be to secure cover if possible (especially when facing multiple threats). Advancing on target leaves you open, and firing while moving - these are two things that lessen the odds for you if you have not been trained/practiced extensively. If this is going to be your choice, only shoot high capacity weapons because the untrained (for this) will miss repeatedly and likely have collateral damage to account for.

I never fire until empty unless I have another full (and hopefully higher capacity) magazine in my weak hand...which makes the people selling holsters that have magazine carriers attached (strong side) complete idiots that have never been in a gunfight (imo). And I count my shots, at the range, in practice, every time I shoot so I can prep for the magazine transfer. I have seen Leos in training scenarios and competitors at 3 gun that "lost count" and kept trying to fire on a racked open gun! Not a good situation when you are receiving fire.

Gunfights come in many shapes and sizes from the full combat situation to the gang banger in your face, and sometimes the best solution is to feign fear, collapse/faint, draw the shooter in to give you the momentary advantage needed to survive get to cover and/or draw and fire - but mostly it gives you at least a moment to assess the situation that aggressive action may eliminate.

I am sorry but, while articles such as this one have good ideas, and usually well thought out strategies, the failures come in the untrained execution of well meaning articles and posts.
Most vets (80%+) never saw combat, most leos (75%) never drew their weapons, and many gang bangers are high on drugs/adrenalin and unpredictable. My point is, we all react under stress differently and our only advantage is training and practice. And please believe me high and unpredictable is more dangerous than a calm "professional" robber.

Cover is your best option in a drive by. If you draw your gun and advance on the target (which could easily be multiple shooters) you will likely take a round. Taking cover (if possible) gives you the advantage of assessing the situation, and then returning fire if needed.

Avoidance is the best way to win a gunfight.