I think I will try to sell a G17 and a G23 at the gun show. Private sale or whatever. In Virginia. What paperwork or other formalities must I consider? And advice?
How do I sell a gun at a gun show?
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I'm not sure about the VA legalaties. But as far as selling at a show, you could either walk around with the guns visible and make casual conversation, or print out what you're selling and tape it to your back and chest.
You could also try good old GT ads, or armslist.
You could also try good old GT ads, or armslist.
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Yes, pretty much you don't need anything but a 21 & over State resident with cash in hand. At least that's all you need here in FL.
I know I'll probably get hammered for saying this, but I believe this is one of those "loopholes" in our system that many don't want addressed, because "the evil Gov't will know what guns I have". Truth be told, once you sell a gun, you are in essence an arms dealer, and you should follow the same rules as any FFL holding dealer (NICS background check).
My idea - A kiosk at gun shows which are connected to the NICS database, where you're able to verify the buyer is legally able to own a gun. Buyer would enter in his information, and seller does the same. Two minute transaction that could print an approved receipt for both, and each have a clear conscious, a record of the transaction, and faith it's coming from, & going into good guy hands.
I know I'll probably get hammered for saying this, but I believe this is one of those "loopholes" in our system that many don't want addressed, because "the evil Gov't will know what guns I have". Truth be told, once you sell a gun, you are in essence an arms dealer, and you should follow the same rules as any FFL holding dealer (NICS background check).
My idea - A kiosk at gun shows which are connected to the NICS database, where you're able to verify the buyer is legally able to own a gun. Buyer would enter in his information, and seller does the same. Two minute transaction that could print an approved receipt for both, and each have a clear conscious, a record of the transaction, and faith it's coming from, & going into good guy hands.
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Another option, although it will not generate as much $$$, but is usually quicker than finding someone who may be looking for a gun of your type, is to get offers from, and then sell to highest offer from the various dealer there at the show.
Still another option, is to place your gun in a gun shop on consignment. Here you still get less $$$, but many more potential buyers will see it, and perhaps purchase it.
As a VA resident, I can tell you the short version of selling a gun to someone: You need to be a VA resident, the buyer needs to be a VA resident, 21 or older, and have a VA Driver's License to prove all this.
The VA State Police website has additional advice:
To privately sell a firearm, it is recommended that you safeguard information pertaining to the transaction such as the date the firearm was sold, the complete name and address of the buyer, and the make, model, and serial number of the firearm. The seller and buyer of a handgun must be a resident of the state in which the transfer occurs. Should the firearm ever be located at a crime scene, trace of the firearm will determine the licensed dealer who last sold the firearm and will identify the last buyer of the firearm. To have your name removed from this process, you may consider placing your firearm on consignment with a licensed dealer. This will also ensure that the firearm is transferred only to a lawfully eligible individual.
Still another option, is to place your gun in a gun shop on consignment. Here you still get less $$$, but many more potential buyers will see it, and perhaps purchase it.
As a VA resident, I can tell you the short version of selling a gun to someone: You need to be a VA resident, the buyer needs to be a VA resident, 21 or older, and have a VA Driver's License to prove all this.
The VA State Police website has additional advice:
To privately sell a firearm, it is recommended that you safeguard information pertaining to the transaction such as the date the firearm was sold, the complete name and address of the buyer, and the make, model, and serial number of the firearm. The seller and buyer of a handgun must be a resident of the state in which the transfer occurs. Should the firearm ever be located at a crime scene, trace of the firearm will determine the licensed dealer who last sold the firearm and will identify the last buyer of the firearm. To have your name removed from this process, you may consider placing your firearm on consignment with a licensed dealer. This will also ensure that the firearm is transferred only to a lawfully eligible individual.
I don't agree that I should be held to similar rules that pertain to a FFL dealer. I check the guy's driver's license and sometimes I "up" the price enough so that a suspicious buyer will not want to buy my gun. I have no intention of contributing to an illegal sale, particularly one that could end up by endangering my life or the safety of others. Most crooks are not all that interested in paying $400-$500 for a slightly-used Glock.
Any laws that seek to further restrict my 2nd Amendment rights are not favored by me. I guess that's why I've been a LIFE NRA member for 40 years.
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Any laws that seek to further restrict my 2nd Amendment rights are not favored by me. I guess that's why I've been a LIFE NRA member for 40 years.
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If you ever want to get really mad, just ask the dealers what they will offer you for your gun... Been there; won't be back.
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In Virginia, just sell it.
It's a crime to KNOWINGLY sell it to someone who is not a Virginia resident (or otherwise ineligible, such as a felon or youngster), but no law compels you to ask for proof or keep any records.
It's still a good idea to exchange signed bills of sale, and most have no problem flashing a DL. But it's not legally required.
Bring it with you to the gunshow in Chantilly, with a sign showing the cash price, and walk up and down the line outside and you'll probably get it.
Don't try selling it near the doors, it annoys the management.
Private sale prices here range from $400 to $500 cash for Glocks, don't let a dealer lowball you.
There's a forum about buying and selling guns in VA:
http://www.vaguntrader.com/forums/ubbthreads.php
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My experience has been exactly the opposite of yours. I've been offered $200 OVER the price of the gun to do a no-paperwork-no-I.D. transfer. I refused. In my experience, crooked folks have MORE money to spend on guns than average working-class folks, and bad guys won't think twice about paying more to get a "clean" gun, unconnected to them, that will send the cops to YOUR door if they have to ditch it at a crime scene.
To sell you one of my personal weapons face-to-face, I require seeing a drivers license issued to you from my home state, with a photo that looks like you, and your permission to record your full name and drivers license number on the bill of sale that I will be keeping. I don't need the buyer's address, and I tell them that; if there is any problem with the gun turning up in the wrong hands, or at a crime scene, the cops will be the ones looking for the buyer, not me. I just want to be able to prove that I made an honest effort to I.D. the buyer, and make sure the sale wasn't across state lines (a problem in my area, due to the close proximity to another state with stricter laws -- and Canada). The requirement to show a state-issued ID and let me record their info stops all sales to folks who have bad intentions; they simply won't do it, and once the excuses and the "you don't have to do that" crap starts, I send them on their way. If they have a CCW permit from ANY state, and they offer to let me see it, it's icing on the cake. It means they understand my concern, and are trying to put me at ease; often, it earns them some ammo or another freebie thrown-in as a Thank You.
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Ok.. Let's break down your post here. Why?? NOONE can just walk into a gun store, regardless of how well they know you, just buy a gun without a background check. The laws are there for a reason. Harry's Hot Dog stand has to follow the same rules as Benihana when it comes to food. In contrast, it doesn't matter if your selling 10 kilos of blow every week, or 10 joints in a saran baggie for the first & only time. Get caught, and the charge is narc dealing.
So you in essence are relying on Spidey senses and "cover of the book looks" to judge who may & may not be a bad guy?? And as it's been posted, bad guys would be more than willing to pay $400-$500 & more for a "slightly used Glock". I've seen battered Hi-Point C9s sell for that & more. You may not intentionally (as you put it) contribute to the illegal sale of a gun, but just checking someone's license, and giving a once over in no way is solid proof you've made a sale to a legally allowed owner.
2nd Amendment...Ahhh the issue everyone loves to throw up when talking firearms. Again, how is making you liable for your actions (no different than your nearest/dearest gun store) impeding your 2A rights? Gun store sells gun to someone without thoroughly checking background = felony charge, revoked FFL license, and a whole heap of legal battles (and that's even if the buyer was legally allowed to own it). I say all of these thing because I've known felons (no murders, rapists, or molesters, but felons nonetheless) who successfully purchased firearms from gun shows. I do not want to associate with that because in the long run you can't blame Gov't when they decide to shut these things down, if you don't support or have solutions to obvious problems/loopholes which could potentially hurt the sport, and innocent people. I'm in favor of any law for keeping guns outta the hands of people who shouldn't have 'em because ultimately...pardon the expression....they're fu**ing my sh** up!! We need to open our eyes more, and realize sometimes we're our own worst enemy with the stubbornness, and the my rights, my rights, MY RIGHTS talk.
^^ Here's a thinking man. Every person to person sale that I completed (buy or sell), I have given/received copy of DL/CWL and a bill of sale. Here in FL, we can ship directly to someone who is a State resident. However, before I complete any sale, these three things are to be received on both sides.
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"Here's a thinking man. Every person to person sale that I completed (buy or sell), I have given/received copy of DL/CWL and a bill of sale. Here in FL, we can ship directly to someone who is a State resident. However, before I complete any sale, these three things are to be received on both sides."
Agree. Here in FL we have several Gun For Sale websites. Sold 2 pistols via this. Both sold within 2 days. Price it right and they will come. I have my own bill of sale that I use. I also copy their FL drivers license & CCW license & attach to the bill of sale.
Agree. Here in FL we have several Gun For Sale websites. Sold 2 pistols via this. Both sold within 2 days. Price it right and they will come. I have my own bill of sale that I use. I also copy their FL drivers license & CCW license & attach to the bill of sale.
There is a virginia only gun selling/trading website you might want to try as well.
http://www.vaguntrader.com
http://www.vaguntrader.com
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I agree with this post 100%, though I can also respect the viewpoint of Sonnytoo and Dookeyface.
Of course in the People's Republic of Maryland, we can only sell shotguns and rifles face-to-face, and you better make bloody sure the shotgun or rifle isn't a regulated one.
I agree, its actually very easy to sell at a gun show. Stick a sign on you gun case and someone will ask you about it.
for the two face to face transactions I have done, I did exactly this. DL, CCW, and bill of sale. To be honest, I have to chuckle a bit at the gun show folks who walk around with "for sale" signs on their back. BTW, Craigslist DOES NOT allow for sale ads on guns. It will be flagged and removed. BackPage on the otherhand allows it. Or post here, AR15 and other sites.
I use the Valley trader online to sell locally and make copies of the DL and write a up a receipt for both people. Sign both and add the SN number so your covered. Handguns are only sold in the state NOT out. Guess your going to the big chantilly expo center this weekend! good luck!
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