Why is everyone so uptight about Tite Group? I do understand it's easy to double charge but so are many others if your sleeping at the wheel. I loaded my first round with Tite Group and have had no issues since. I'm so darn methodical when sitting at the bench it would be very difficult to get a double past me if you tried. Is it because many guys using progressives don't pay close enough attention?
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Why is everyone so uptight about Tite Group? I do understand it's easy to double charge but so are many others if your sleeping at the wheel. I loaded my first round with Tite Group and have had no issues since. I'm so darn methodical when sitting at the bench it would be very difficult to get a double past me if you tried. Is it because many guys using progressives don't pay close enough attention?
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If it was "just people not paying attention" I wouldn't have an issue w/ it. Thing is, you can be "paying attention" and overcharge TG pretty easily.
I've been on this reloading forum for about one and a half yrs. and it seems every week someone is trying to use TG in the wrong app. I really like it in .45acp, but there are 6 other powders I could and do use. TG's real forte is in mild to mid-range loads, not top end velocities. If you use it for what it was intended for, it excels, if you want to push it to it's limits, you are playing with fire, IMHO.
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I use 3.3gr of TG with a 147FMJ at 1.150 (9mm). This is a very mild load. I use the Lee Pro Disc and TG dispenses very consistantly( ±.05). I have heard so many people tell stories of inconsistant loads from Unique that i don't even want to give it a try. What is a comparitive load with WST? I just know this TG load shoots well and i get a crap load of rounds per pound.
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If you're happy with it, then there's no reason to switch.. I just think for newbs, there's way safer powders for them to use.. It's obviously all opinion.
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You could load the same bullet over 3.4gr of WST for sim performance. I also like WSF their too. Sim to Unique but meters better.
Again, TG in high pressure small volumn cases is an accident waiting to happen. The guys trying to run major 40 w/ it are foolish at best. Why, there are so many other choices to get you the vel level you want w/ a far greater safety margin. Used in bunnyfart loads, yeah, maybe it has a place, but making any powder run at the top end to milk another 50fps out of it is playing w/ a little bomb. Pressures seldom are linear as you push the top end. Some powder, like Clays, TG, they pressure levels go vert at the top end, so a tiny mistake in measuring or bullet setback can push you right into KB territory. Free country though, load what you like, but you should be aware there is risk using the wrong powder for the wrong application. TG in the 40 w/ anything but bottom loads is risky.:dunno:
It sounds like you are doing good, TG can be a very accurate powder.
The problems with TG is even with your "very mild load" you are only .3gr of powder away from MAX.
If you can tell the differance of .3gr. of TG in a case youv'e got a great eye.
Then what happens if you get a bullet setback? Pressure will rise and with TG it has a tendency to spike which will make pressure rise Dramatically and a potentially dangerous condition can occur.
It works if everything is perfect, but it is not for newbies.
With Unique you have a lot larger margin of errror. You could possibly exceed your max charge .5gr with it and never know it. And there are a lot of other powders that are much safer than TG.
If you are an experieced loader and want to use TG that's great.
As far as WST I've used 3.7gr behind a 147gr. Gold Dot for 835fps out of a 3" barrel Kahr PM9 for great accuracy, a charge not much heavier than yours but much safer.
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Me too... though this year I'll be down to a little less than 8#'s of it. I'm using WST with Bear Creek 135g moly RN bullets in 9mm for single stack minor and ESP.
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What are some of the other powders that are good for IDPA type bunny fart loads? 9MM specifically... I am always open to trying different loads.
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Since I started shooting GSSF 11 years ago. And also going from .40 to 9mm I have tried a lot of different powders in the 9mm including WST, WSF Accurate arms powders, VV N320, Rex #2 and probably a couple of more. I keep going back to Tight Group.
I must say you can get a double charge from any press that you reload on. Single stage or a full progressive. Since the OP is using a disk and loading 3.3 of Tight Group I think it would be hard for it to throw more than .3 grains over in the amount of powder. Unless he is not paying attention in what he is doing. Now if he dumps in 6.6 he might have a problem.
I like Tight Group and for 5 years I did play with real big bombs. I also donÂ’t recommend Tight Group for someone that is just starting into reloading.
I must say you can get a double charge from any press that you reload on. Single stage or a full progressive. Since the OP is using a disk and loading 3.3 of Tight Group I think it would be hard for it to throw more than .3 grains over in the amount of powder. Unless he is not paying attention in what he is doing. Now if he dumps in 6.6 he might have a problem.
I like Tight Group and for 5 years I did play with real big bombs. I also donÂ’t recommend Tight Group for someone that is just starting into reloading.
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I like tightgroup for IDPA loads. It is soft shooting and accurate in light loads. It is the number one powder choice for IDPA nationals. It is however designed just for that... accurate light loads.
Other powders I have used and liked.
- WSF
- WST
- win 231.
A lot of gammers also use VV 320 and solo 1000.
The reason you do not get tightgroup recommended much on here is because a little goes a long ways. It doesn't take much of an error to really give you a bad day with tightgroup. There are other powders that will work as well but give you a better cushion. So it is a lot smarter to learn with them.
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You guys are such TG haters.:tongueout:
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I ain't scared of TG.
TG has far more recent and better data. I wouldn't switch if your happy.
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I use a lot of Titegroup in .38 special. It is the best powder for action shooting, where a power factor is not a major part of the game.
The thing I like most about it is that it goes bang exactly the same way every time I pull the trigger. Nothing worse than temperature and position sensitive powders ruining your concentration in the middle of a difficult scenario. Titegroup is very, very, very consistent in all kinds of weather and no matter what position the gun is brought to bare from.
When ever I've read a contentious thread about Titegroup it has had as an early participant, or OP, the notion that major velocity loads are achievable with this powder. WHICH THEY ARE NOT. That's not its job. That's never what it should be employed for.
As a light to medium target, or action powder it is unbeatable. I'm not sayin' other powders don't work. I'm just saying none of them is better for the job than Titegroup.
In fact, I've got a real love affair going with all the Hodgdon and Winchester EXTREME powders. They are all versatile and very consistent. Titegroup, Varget, WST.... love 'em.
The thing I like most about it is that it goes bang exactly the same way every time I pull the trigger. Nothing worse than temperature and position sensitive powders ruining your concentration in the middle of a difficult scenario. Titegroup is very, very, very consistent in all kinds of weather and no matter what position the gun is brought to bare from.
When ever I've read a contentious thread about Titegroup it has had as an early participant, or OP, the notion that major velocity loads are achievable with this powder. WHICH THEY ARE NOT. That's not its job. That's never what it should be employed for.
As a light to medium target, or action powder it is unbeatable. I'm not sayin' other powders don't work. I'm just saying none of them is better for the job than Titegroup.
In fact, I've got a real love affair going with all the Hodgdon and Winchester EXTREME powders. They are all versatile and very consistent. Titegroup, Varget, WST.... love 'em.
Titegroup was suggested to me way back when I first started reloading. Here's some of the reasons I don't use it anymore.
I found one of my most accurate .45ACP loads was with Titegroup, but the brass was stained and blackened so much, I couldn't get it cleaned. I went to 231.
I was looking for some mild loads for a snubbie 357, I tried Titegroup. Again, the blackened brass. I also heard rumblings where it was flame cutting the top straps on revolvers. Ended up using True Blue. It's pretty slow powder for a snubbie, but i find it's good pretty much from mild to wild. Lil'Gun for the 158gr heavy stuff, particularly in the 4" and 6".
The guys on Brian Enos' forum use a lot of TG in their 9mms. I was never happy with any load I made. Now I use Silhouette and can't find a bad load.
Never tried it in 38 Spec, but I'm perfectly happy with Unique and Universal.
You would think it would excel in .380, but again, I have great loads with Unique and Universal.
Last but not least, I saw the pictures of a stainless Mod 60 J-frame blown to crap with a TiteGroup overload. ¡Santo Cagada! I took my remaining 2 pounds of it to the garden and fertilized the tomatoes.
The fastest powder I have these days is 231, but only use it for a few favorite loads. I have a few pounds of it, and if I ever use it all up, I might give Fred's WST a try.
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