[H&K 4 LIFE]

So did you eat popcorn while you watched the movie?

I did. opcorn:

 

[Boats]

Wow you really think a Beretta, 1911, or S&W would outlast an HK??:rofl: You're dreaming. I'd put a USP or HK45 against any of them in a torture/durability test any day. I don't think Denzel put thousands of round threw his either. You seem to have some particular beef with HK. They make some of the finest firearms out there. HK45s are probably not all that widespread at the moment, but I guarantee you there are tens of thousands of USPs out there. Come find me in 22 years when my USP is 30 years old and I'll show you it still works.

My beef with HK stems entirely from having owned one. My old HK USP45c was the most overrated handgun to ever come into my possession.

Better watch out on the torture claims though. I understand that torturing their guns under controlled conditions is what HK is famous for, because it is certainly not their real world track record that shines. That said, a lowly M&P9 beat the crap out of the P30 on reliability and uptime--with way less cleaning and using trashier ammunition without excuses--through 60k rounds at pistoltraining.com.

At less than half the HK's asking price. Pretty funny actually.

 

[Boats]

Can I vote for no movie spoilers? Some of us are waiting for the DVD and it would be better to focus on the HK in the movie rather than the plot. I did read on imfdb that he found some magic flush fitting magazines that hold more than 10 rounds.

If you are so worried about spoilers this far out from the movie's theatrical run, why are you reading this thread?

The world is supposed to go on hold until you see the movie? Exercise some self-restraint.

 

[Gary1911A1]

First of all, it's a movie, but lets say the military decides to go ahead and adopt a .45ACP sidearm in the next few years and because of that every body wants one, and there are plenty of spare parts for a pistol that isn't going to be fired that much as ammo, as in the movie, is hard to find. Yes, it's all possible because the movie is based on faction to begin with. Let's not take this to seriously.

 

[cz85cmbt]

Wow, who would have predicted that this would be what the internet would be used for. As much as I agree with boats statements that HK's would be hard to come by and not the best choice for a post apocalyptic future, I would also have to agree with other peoples statements that HK's are solidly built and reliable. The unfortunate fact is that most pistols are bought, get a box or two of ammo put through them each year and that is that, so the majority of guns would be nowhere near even a 5,000 count for round fired. It would be a surprise to see an HK working extremely well 100 years after the apocalypse not before. In disbelief? Look at beat pistols such as walther p38's in Iraq still working despite their older design and springs from long ago that are far inferior to the metal springs we make today. The greatest enemy to most pistols deteriorating would still be springs weakening. There's a ton of post apocalyptic theories on what to carry but anything you could get would be what you used, and what I mean by that is if your pistol broke and you found a another gun other than your model or maybe even the same model you would probably abandon yours for a pistol that worked, what's real is that most people would not carry a 1911 and collect spare parts from abandoned firearms, they would take what worked and leave what did not.

 

[piebiter]

i was under the impression though that HK did not sell spare parts to the public ?

I purchased an o-ring from HK last year for my 28 year old P9S .45 as a backup. Gun has never jammed nor had to have any repair work. Its been my carry gun for a good number of those 28 years. I'd thrust it when the SHTF.

 

[-gunut-]

Did you watch the movie? He was blind.

I watched a crappy recording online. I didn't know his eyes were glossed over :rofl:

I can see where there were "heightened senses," but it seems like he would have to see at least a little bit to move around like he did. Seeing stationary objects, his little ipod thing, and just basically navigating around buildings.

 

[grecco]

as far as hk's go

do the usp .45's have the lawyer locks on them ?

The lock is inside the grip/Mag well.
Its discrete.

 

[-gunut-]

A lowly M&P9 beat the crap out of the P30 on reliability and uptime--with way less cleaning and using trashier ammunition without excuses--through 60k rounds at pistoltraining.com.

Hehemmm.... :whistling:

It's great and all that someone's individual pistol made it 20k rounds before something broke, but some others don't make it past the first thousand.

:rofl:

I could not find the full test, but a mag catch on the M&P broke on the M&P at 20k (mags would not stay in the pistol), and the slide cracked at 60k and they stopped the test. I have not been able to find the in-between. Did anything else break?

But after all, anything can break at any time as you have said. :supergrin:

 

[Boats]

At p-t.com--first M&P breakage--trigger spring @ round 37,427. Gun still fired but required manual return of the trigger. Mag catch never broke. The slide was only a "liability" stopper, not a traditional crack. Nonetheless, there were only three parts failures: the trigger spring as noted, the right side slide catch nubbin broke off, but the other side was still fully functional, and lastly, this devastating crack in the slide that could have been field repaired into being serviceable in a post-apocalyptic situation.

http://pistol-training.com/archives/649

HK P30--first breakage--trigger return spring @ round 19,445. Pistol dead until spring donated from a P2000.

http://pistol-training.com/archives/1784

The point was not to be a S&W honk, because I am not, but merely to demonstrate that an "unheralded" pistol can provide lots of useful service, and with only 4.5 years on the market, the M&P is already more commonplace in the US than any H&K pistol ever imported.

 

[harleyfx69]

for most guns, its not difficult or expensive to get a "lifetime" or two worth of spare parts, and also very easy to carry with the gun ..

 

[daddysnapmuffins]

Yes they do make fine firearms. But high-round count guns, fast and accurate and reliable out of the holster guns, by virtue of their design are

1. 1911
2. CZ 75 or modern steel clone
3. the Glock
4. S&W Revolver

source. IPSC, USPSA, FBI SWAT HRT , guns used by the Champs

if it (HK USP) were that great, how come it is not there on top with the others? :dunno:

The guns you mentioned are good guns. But agency contracts come down to the lowest bidder. Many military and agencies across the world use HKs.

 

[-gunut-]

At p-t.com--first M&P breakage--trigger spring @ round 37,427. Gun still fired but required manual return of the trigger. Mag catch never broke. The slide was only a "liability" stopper, not a traditional crack. Nonetheless, there were only three parts failures: the trigger spring as noted, the right side slide catch nubbin broke off, but the other side was still fully functional, and lastly, this devastating crack in the slide that could have been field repaired into being serviceable in a post-apocalyptic situation.

http://pistol-training.com/archives/649

HK P30--first breakage--trigger return spring @ round 19,445. Pistol dead until spring donated from a P2000.

http://pistol-training.com/archives/1784

The point was not to be a S&W honk, because I am not, but merely to demonstrate that an "unheralded" pistol can provide lots of useful service, and with only 4.5 years on the market, the M&P is already more commonplace in the US than any H&K pistol ever imported.

Is this a separate test? One this one the magazines started coming out on their own at the 11k mark

http://pistol-training.com/archives/85

And true, a pistol that they sell at rock bottom prices will be more common.

 

[South Fla]

Yes they do make fine firearms. But high-round count guns, fast and accurate and reliable out of the holster guns, by virtue of their design are

1. 1911
2. CZ 75 or modern steel clone
3. the Glock
4. S&W Revolver

source. IPSC, USPSA, FBI SWAT HRT , guns used by the Champs

if it (HK USP) were that great, how come it is not there on top with the others? :dunno:

They are all drinking the wrong Kool-Aid then.

 

[Boats]

Is this a separate test? One this one the magazines started coming out on their own at the 11k mark

http://pistol-training.com/archives/85

And true, a pistol that they sell at rock bottom prices will be more common.

The M&P had a general revision to the mag catch design, which must be part of why there was a second test. The M&P would be fairly classified as "mid-market."

 

[hatidua]

Wow you really think a Beretta, 1911, or S&W would outlast an HK??:rofl: You're dreaming. I'd put a USP or HK45 against any of them in a torture/durability test any day.

And you'd lose that bet. I have four HK pistols and they are nice, but they aren't going to outlast a 1911, no way, no how.

 

[JBJ16]

The guns you mentioned are good guns. But agency contracts come down to the lowest bidder. Many military and agencies across the world use HKs.

. . . . meaning they are rarely shot if non at all. Even soldiers in hot, on going wars don't shoot as much ammo in their handguns as much as a weeks practice of top IPSC shooters averaging 1500rds a week of IPSC major loads.

 

[Aceman]

It's a defense mechanism...they have a hard time acknowledging that when it really comes down to it, ONLY HK's and a few others will be working.

1911's? AHhahahAhahHAhHahHaHAHHA
Glocks? Have you seen that gaping hole in the grip....might as well say insert dirt here.

I agree - not enough ammo to wear out any gun in that situation.

 

[daddysnapmuffins]

It's a defense mechanism...they have a hard time acknowledging that when it really comes down to it, ONLY HK's and a few others will be working.

1911's? AHhahahAhahHAhHahHaHAHHA
Glocks? Have you seen that gaping hole in the grip....might as well say insert dirt here.

I agree - not enough ammo to wear out any gun in that situation.

I agree with most of this in principle. 1911's are great guns but require much more maintenance and have too many external moving parts which are vulnerable to debris and harsh conditions. I will analogize a 1911 to a Ferrari. Certainly a better car than a Honda, but a Honda will run more miles before requiring service.

I'm not a fan boy of any brand but I am fond of HK's and many other brands. It really is just stupid to say that an HK in Book of Eli is not plausible.

 

[Boats]

An HK appearance is plausible. A working HK borders on fantasy. Then again, it was a science fiction/fantasy movie.

Maybe we can get some awesome German "Combat" Divers to give some testimonials to the awesomeness of HK in "battle?" After that, we can have some awesome H&K employees dress up with their awesome Bolle goggles for some more awesome action marketing.:dancingbanana: