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Glocks in Iraq

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#1 ·
I work for a communications contractor here in Iraq. I was at the PX when I started a conversation with a security contractor. I asked how his Glock was performing here in the desert. He said that they have had zero problems with the G19 and G17 they carry. He when to to explain that they train quite a bit so the gun get very dirty but still have no problems.

I've spoke with one Navy and a couple of Army guys that have had or heard of a few problems with their Sigs and Berettas malfunctioning.
I'm glad I decided not to buy the commemorative Sig they were offering a while back. When I was home on vacation, I picked up a new G26 under the military discount program instead.
 
#52 ·
Thank you OP... I get a real sense and feeling of pride when I see these photos and know that the same reliable weapon that protects myself and my family here at home is also protecting our men and women overseas... Much respect! :)


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#54 · (Edited)
That pic dates back to the beginning of Iraqi Freedom 2003-2004. I remember seeing the picture here first around that time on GT. My opinion is that it was a personally owned weapon that was brought in when the rules were still a bit relaxed. Notice the impromptu holster and magazine pouch combo that he uses.
Never heard of the rules being that relaxed. Taking a personal gun to Iraq and bringing it back home would be a pretty serious violation of federal law.

Originally Posted by vmann
NSN 1005-01-571-9875:

glock 19 9mm pistol
(NSN 1005015719875)

try agian....
Somebody needs to try again - having an NSN does not mean the gun was ever "U.S. approved standard or limited issue to U.S. forces outside of special operations." It may mean no more than thse are the same Glock 19's the military purchased and gave to the Iraqis, which we already know about.
 
#55 · (Edited)
Never heard of the rules being that relaxed. Taking a personal gun to Iraq and bringing it back home would be a pretty serious violation of federal law.



Somebody needs to try again - having an NSN does not mean the gun was ever "U.S. approved standard or limited issue to U.S. forces outside of special operations." It may mean no more than thse are the same Glock 19's the military purchased and gave to the Iraqis, which we already know about.
Some units may use their budget to buy Oakleys vs standard issue, and I've been told some use unit budgets to buy G19s. The "off the shelf" options are a lot different than 30 years ago. True? False? I'm not sure.

Expanding on your point about SOCOM etc, excellent intel reports the 75th Rgmt stocked up on G17s. Lots more Glocks in the military than conventional wisdom realizes. On another forum a totally vetted SOF Soldier has bottom lined it that he's seen very few "pipehitters" with M9s for quite some time now.
 
#58 ·
Never heard of the rules being that relaxed. Taking a personal gun to Iraq and bringing it back home would be a pretty serious violation of federal law....
Well I used the term "relaxed" for lack of a better word. I'll just say that no one was paying much attention to the issue of POWs early on in the Iraq War. After a while they began to clamp down heavily on POWs.
 
#59 ·
its surprising how many of the enemy had glocks as well.... Ran into a few of cache's with glocks in them and found glocks on people as well.... Not ultra common, but it was there.

Explanation we had was that they either stole them from supplies, purchased or stole them from the Iraqi police or smuggled from somewhere into theatre. Never the less, the enemy has them too... More common in Iraq than Astan around 07-08
 
#60 ·
its surprising how many of the enemy had glocks as well.... Ran into a few of cache's with glocks in them and found glocks on people as well.... Not ultra common, but it was there.

Explanation we had was that they either stole them from supplies, purchased or stole them from the Iraqi police or smuggled from somewhere into theatre. Never the less, the enemy has them too... More common in Iraq than Astan around 07-08
It was no surprise that many of the Iraqi army and police that we trained and issued Glocks by day turned out to be insurgents by night. Many Glocks were also sold off for profit to insurgents and even to our own soldiers.
 
#62 ·
Some units may use their budget to buy Oakleys vs standard issue, and I've been told some use unit budgets to buy G19s. The "off the shelf" options are a lot different than 30 years ago. True? False? I'm not sure.
True and false - I've been issued a unit purchased knife but I've never heard of a unit being able to use local funds for small arms. Maybe in special operations forces.

Expanding on your point about SOCOM etc, excellent intel reports the 75th Rgmt stocked up on G17s. Lots more Glocks in the military than conventional wisdom realizes. On another forum a totally vetted SOF Soldier has bottom lined it that he's seen very few "pipehitters" with M9s for quite some time now.
I've met plenty of Rangers and never heard one mention seeing a Glock. I've also never seen anybody in/from a special operations unit with one. Then again, I've never heard anybody in the military call special ops types "pipehitters" so what do I know?:whistling:
 
#64 · (Edited)
Never heard of the rules being that relaxed. Taking a personal gun to Iraq and bringing it back home would be a pretty serious violation of federal law.



Somebody needs to try again - having an NSN does not mean the gun was ever "U.S. approved standard or limited issue to U.S. forces outside of special operations." It may mean no more than thse are the same Glock 19's the military purchased and gave to the Iraqis, which we already know about.
come on brother, you know as well as i know, if it has an nsn number, it can be ordered....i am not saying its an issued weapon, just one that can and has been ordered by certain select units...
 
#65 ·
I see what you are saying. The only reason I had my hands on one was that I was working with the Iraqis and helping out set up their little armies and teaching them patrolling/ambush techniques.

But take a look at the IBA - the uniform was well before digital RFI in 2006 because of the desert camo & we didn't have MiTT Teams quite yet in 2004-2005 as the "Iraqi Army" was still ICDC (Iraqi Civil Defense Corp). Not to mention that I have a little "know" because the big red 1 came into N. Baghdad in April of 2004 and relieved my unit as we had already completed our first tour when they decided to come to the party.

:wavey:
That's an OIF2 setup (2004/2005). I was there and we actually hauled a HEMMT load of Glock 19's from Brassfield Mora to Danger. 1st ID was in that AO in OIF2.
 
#66 ·
Never heard of the rules being that relaxed. Taking a personal gun to Iraq and bringing it back home would be a pretty serious violation of federal law.



Somebody needs to try again - having an NSN does not mean the gun was ever "U.S. approved standard or limited issue to U.S. forces outside of special operations." It may mean no more than thse are the same Glock 19's the military purchased and gave to the Iraqis, which we already know about.
When we (OIF2) were RIPing our OIF1 predecessors, several different handguns made their way to us. A 1st SGT RIPing had what he jokingly called his "Luger"...but was a freakin Hi Point in a chest rig. He still carried his M9.

There were some Browning Hi-Powers, S&W Wheelies and even some High Standard .22's that showed up. I was expecting a Makarov or 2 at least but none of them were sold to us. Usually, these were just passed on to the next group instead of running the risk of sending them home.

It was good time back then but things gradually started tightening up by the end of OIF2.
 
#68 ·
That's an OIF2 setup (2004/2005). I was there and we actually hauled a HEMMT load of Glock 19's from Brassfield Mora to Danger. 1st ID was in that AO in OIF2.
Wow. Haven't heard anyone mention FOB Brassfield Mora in a long time. I remember when it got it's name though. Same with CPT Poliwoda RIP. 2003 was a tough year. But yeah 1st ID took over our AO after our first tour was wrapping up in April 2004.

Sad days to be quite honest. :steamed:
 
#69 · (Edited)
I always get a kick out of these arguments.

A steady stream of acronyms gets parried by an avalanche of abbreviations.

No one knows if any of the posters are legit or not.

No one cares.

Because the subject is an interesting one. And we all know the weapons are in theater and have been. How they got there seems to be something of a mystery, at least in specific.

Pix are interesting.

Oh, and guns have found their way both in and out of both operational areas.

But much of the topic is obscure and some of it no doubt cannot be discussed...
 
#70 ·
True and false - I've been issued a unit purchased knife but I've never heard of a unit being able to use local funds for small arms. Maybe in special operations forces.
?:whistling:
To my understanding they can and my old unit did purchase Mossberg 500's.
 
#71 ·
True and false - I've been issued a unit purchased knife but I've never heard of a unit being able to use local funds for small arms. Maybe in special operations forces.



I've met plenty of Rangers and never heard one mention seeing a Glock. I've also never seen anybody in/from a special operations unit with one. Then again, I've never heard anybody in the military call special ops types "pipehitters" so what do I know?:whistling:
Bren, back in the day (ala 2003-2005) there was a few sources of funds that units could draw from. One of the most notorious was FOO money. Basically envelopes with cash that was directed through the civilian supply chain monitored by DoD Civilians. I wouldn't go near that stuff with a 5ft pole as it spelled disaster all over it with accountability and possible civilian corruption to the likes of which I am glad I know nothing of. I know we paid our interpreters with it as well as purchased a lot of local goods. Some GS civilian once handed me an envelope with $26K in small bills to take deliver to our BN S4 on a FOB outside the AO ... no signatures nothing and he never told me how much was in it. Of course I opened the large envelope only to count out the money and obviously lock up with our CQ desk because I was not carrying it around all day and sleep under my pillow that night. Our unit also had a "cashier" that would travel with the BN Commander who paid Iraqi's for collateral damage during the beginning of the war. Basically he carried a little over $100K in a rucksack w/o frame. Pretty interesting times. Again I saw that as a disaster for potential investigation so the farther away from FOO money I was the better.

OK second type of unit funds that the S4 @ Brigade was able to use was an in theater account funds that could be directed at the will of the BDE Commander. Those funds were used to purchase goods from Rock Island Arsenal (among others) and there folks could get Remington/Mossberg shotguns, M2's, MK19's and other rapid field items. Purpose was for units deploying (typically National Guard & Reserve) to have the ability to get their MTOE requirements while in theater because many of these units did not have their equipment when they were deployed. Now this was *somewhat* controlled meaning MTOE was to be observed. Was it though? Well that depended on how well the unit was organized and honest. I seem to recall about a dozen M2's that we found in a MILVAN from 3ID that we turned in at the end of our tour that were on no property books. It was a cluster and the PBO office located on LSA Anaconda had their hands full with all that paperwork surveying what exactly there was in theater. Mostly because the units did bulk purchasing of everything through open lines that were non-existent on the ULLS-G boxes. ULLS-A however were much more monitored though I am not sure exactly the ramifications were with them because I was never in aviation.

OK third type - this was how folks were ordering Benchmade knives and all that cool stuff. The DoD allowed unrestricted items to be purchased with unit funds through the ULLS-G box. They were monitored by the SPO at each BDE level and these items (so long as they were NOT Class VII) could be purchased so long as the item had an NSN. This last type we are all familiar with as that is how you got your Wiley-X, Oakley, Benchmade Autos, Gerbers, etc.

Anyway that is the short and skinny of it. :wavey:
 
#72 ·
come on brother, you know as well as i know, if it has an nsn number, it can be ordered....i am not saying its an issued weapon, just one that can and has been ordered by certain select units...
I know an old buddy of mine who worked supply. His job was to scrub the list of anything the units were not authorized to order. Just because it has an NSN doesn't mean any unit can order a Glock 19.
 
#74 ·
I'd say SIG and HK are both Phenomenal pistols.
I'll take a Glock over an HK any day. I sold my HK USP 45 (full size) when I kept having to bust rust and CLP the slide weekly when I was living in an apartment that had a problem with humidty/moisture (didn't have to do the same for the Glock 23 I had at the time not a single time). Other than that it wasn't a bad pistol, but I think they are overrated and way over priced for what they are. I do however want to buy a Sig and give one a try. I'm still undecided on which though. I'm thinking maybe a 229 or 220 compact.
 
#75 ·
Wow. Haven't heard anyone mention FOB Brassfield Mora in a long time. I remember when it got it's name though. Same with CPT Poliwoda RIP. 2003 was a tough year. But yeah 1st ID took over our AO after our first tour was wrapping up in April 2004.

Sad days to be quite honest. :steamed:
OIF2 with the 1st ID was filled with some great and not so great memories for sure. My unit did Trailblazing work (141 ECB). [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o29ycgs0qW8"]Trailblazers hunting IEDs in Iraq - YouTube[/ame]

In the comments above - FOO money - man, I haven't heard that in a long time!

Yeah, the HEMMT full of Glock 19s were being moved to Danger to distribute to the newly forming Iraqi ING. I have a pic I need to dig up where I'm next to an ING captain and he has a G19.

There was so much opportunity to get away with fraud/waste/abuse in the early days....

I should also mention the bunches of AKs, Mausers and Enfields that kept cropping up in various friendly hands on various patrols:)