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Glock 44 Magazines

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#33 ·
I field-stripped my G44 when I got home. I noticed the ejector is now catching on the slide cover plate. I assume the ejector is bent / curved more than it should be? Likely from one of the experimental magazines. Thoughts?
Not from the magazines at all. From the factory. My brand new G44 is exactly the same, I haven't even shot it yet. Gotta move the slide over just a bit to clear the ejector when reinstalling.
 
#34 ·
The post on the front of the G44 mags and on the Promag have a pretty sharp angle at the transition from vertical to slopped. I have seen rounds not at the correct nose-up angle hit that edge and jam with a notch cut into the bullet nose. I can imagine rounds that are not smooth being even more prone to catching of the post. I have wondered if softening that edge or changing the angle to lower the corner might reduce FTF but have not been able to bring myself to waste a mag if it makes things worse rather than better.
 
#37 ·
Just FYI ...

I mailed Jeremy (Nelson) at Nelson Precision and Terry (Paroz) at BoogeyMan Customs a ProMag Industries Glock 44 18-round magazine this week. Jeremy and Terry are co-located in the same complex in Tucson. I'm curious to see whether the 10-ish ounce 44X slide will have a bearing on the performance of the ProMag magazine. Obviously, I'll share whatever I find out.
 
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#40 ·
Well, that's interesting. I've always paid $7.99 flat-rate shipping. All of the magazines I ordered from Dack Outdoors were drop-shipped from RSR Group. I'm guessing the ProMag magazines are now being drop-shipped from a different distributor, hence, the lower price, but increased cost of shipping. That's too bad. Sorry about that.
 
#46 ·
I put this in the G44 mag thread to leave the 44X thread for the slide only.
Another question for you WBN:
When you contacted Taylor Tactical for a longer mag spring, did you give him specs and the closest was the Walther PPQ22?
I went on the site and it looks like there are several others that look the same (S&W, Colt, 1911's, Sigs, etc.).
Thanks!
 
#48 ·
I put this in the G44 mag thread to leave the 44X thread for the slide only.
Another question for you WBN:
When you contacted Taylor Tactical for a longer mag spring, did you give him specs and the closest was the Walther PPQ22?
I went on the site and it looks like there are several others that look the same (S&W, Colt, 1911's, Sigs, etc.).
Thanks!
Here's my E-mail to Taylor Tactical Supply ...
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It took several follow-up E-mails and almost three weeks to get a reply ...
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Here's what I've ordered in the past ...

Walther PPQ 22 15+1 Replacement Magazine Spring [19-Coil]
Part #: PPQ-NT-MAG-SPRING

However, I see no reason not to order the 22-coil spring. You can always cut it down ...

GSG / Sig 1911-22 Extra Power Magazine Spring [21-Coil]
Part #: 100-021C-0GSG
M&P22 18+1 Magazine Spring [22-Coil]
Part #: 100-022C-MP22

As we've discussed, the TTS (Taylor Tactical Supply) springs are a lighter gauge than the OEM G44 magazine spring. The TTS spring diameter is approximately 0.8 mm. The OEM spring diameter is approximately 1.0 mm.

The question will become how many TTS spring coils can you squeeze into an OEM G44 magazine with an OEM Glock +2 magazine extension and is it sufficient.

As we've also discussed, the other option is to move to a slightly longer magazine extension (possibly 3D-printed) that will accommodate not necessarily more rounds, but rather will accommodate a magazine spring with more coils.

Keep in mind, it's very important that your magazine extension is "padded" and the transition from the magazine to the magazine extension is "seamless". The magazine spring coils (especially the lighter gauge TTS springs) tend to fold over on themselves and get caught.
 

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#49 ·
As long as the TTS PPQ22 15+ will feed the last few rounds with a cut down follower and a +2 base, is the problem having enough tension to lock the slide back after last round against the slide stop spring?
I was thinking: maybe replace the slide stop coil spring with a lighter one and experiment a bit. As long as the spring isn't too light and flips up to lock the slide back under recoil when the mag still has rounds in it. But, will be compress with the mag spring.
I have a whole bunch of Wolff coil springs from one of their various spring packs.
 
#50 ·
This is all about experimentation and finding what works for you. Like I said, a spring that works with the OEM slide may well not work with an aftermarket aluminum slide milled to accept an MRDS. Of course, ammunition is a critical part of the equation. I only run CCI 40-gr HV CPRN Mini-mag (MPN 0030).

I ordered a half dozen of the TTS 22-coil springs. I'll see how many rounds I can squeeze into an OEM G44 magazine with a cut-down follower, the load-assist tabs removed and an OEM Glock +2 magazine extension. It won't hold 15 rounds. I'll need to start lengthening a 3D-printed magazine extension until I get 15 rounds to fit.
 
#52 ·
Ok folks,
Got my mag springs from TTS. All three (PPQ22 15+, GSG/SIG 1911-22 xtra power and M&P22 18+) are all identical in coil size and wire dia except for coil count and OAL. The wires are .030" (0.8mm), while the OEM is .040" (1mm).
The PPQ has 19 coils, SIG 21 coils and M&P 22 coils. The OEM has 16 coils.
Installed all three to see mag capacity with cut down follower and Glock mag extension. TTS listed them on my invoice as 19C, 21C & 22C.
19C loaded 15, 21C loaded 13 and 22C loaded 12. All had enough of push down fully loaded to be able to index in a closed slide.
Choosing the 19C, I wanted to see if there was enough force to overcome the slide stop spring. It does, but only live fire will be the true test.
Oh, and no binding or twisting of the springs to get hung up because of the insert I made for the base plate.
 
#53 · (Edited)
Oh (again),
If I were to cut coils on the 21C &22C springs to the 19C, you wouldn't be able to tell them apart from the 19C. That's how universal rimfire mag springs are from most manufactures.
And if the 19C won't hold the slide open, I might cut the 22C down to 20C for a bit extra power. I'm going to say that the mag would only hold 14 rounds then. But I'm fine with that.
 
#54 ·
As I've said, I had success with the TTS 19C with the OEM slide.

It's interesting the 19C loads 15, 21C 13 and 22C 12. As you point out, each coil is 0.8 mm. So the difference between the 19C and 21C (perfectly, fully compressed) is 2C x 0.8 mm = 1.6 mm. That would hardly seem like two rounds. The difference between the 19C and 22C is 3C x 0.8 mm = 2.4 mm. Again, that would hardly seem like three rounds. What am I missing? I assume the spring isn't compressing nice and neat.

I received the 22C from TTS, but I haven't had a chance to try them. As I've said, I think the answer is a 3D-printed magazine extension. You simply keep increasing the depth of the magazine extension until the magazine will accommodate 15 rounds with the 22C spring.

Please keep us updated. I will do the same.
 
#55 ·
Here's an example of a 3D-printed magazine extension. This is from "Alex Alex" (foxalex) who originated the idea of cutting down the OEM G44 magazine follower, removing the load-assist tabs and incorporating a magazine extension.

I was able to get 17 rounds into the magazine with the Taylor Tactical Supply 22-coil spring. Obviously, if our goal is 15 rounds, the magazine extension could be made less deep.

 
#56 ·
WBN,
I like all your specs you gave above and agree with your measurements on compression/wire/lengths.
I'm just posting what I found with my TTS springs and mag round counts with reasonable push-down.
The 21C did 13 with plenty of push down the same as the OEM 10.
14 was very tight with the 21C with little or no push down. Not good enough for me. Couldn't even seat the mag in.
Not going to bother with the 22C. That will be a spare to cut down when I find the sweet spot.
And, I'm staying ALL OEM on this magazine & parts (not interested in ProMags at all). No 3D's of anything either. Follower was easy to mod. Base was easy to fill in with side plastics. I'm only going to this one mag just to say that it works.
 
#57 · (Edited)
This is a 3D-printed magazine extension I'm working on. It's relatively low-profile (depicted on the bottom). It consists of two parts. The insert (depicted on the right) uniquely extends up into the magazine and serves to extend the follower / spring "rails" seamlessly. The magazine extension itself (depicted on the left) slides over both the "lip" of the magazine and the lip of the insert. Obviously, the magazine extension has notches to accept the corresponding "tabs" of the magazine.

An OEM Glock 44 magazine with this magazine extension (and the follower cut down and load-assist tabs removed) and the Taylor Tactical Supply 22-coil spring holds 15 rounds.

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#58 ·
This is a 3D-printed magazine extension I'm working on. It's relatively low-profile (depicted on the bottom). It consists of two parts. The insert (depicted on the right) uniquely extends up into the magazine and services to extend the follower / spring "rails" seamlessly. The magazine extension itself (depicted on the left) slides over both the "lip" of the magazine and the lip of the insert. Obviously, the magazine extension has notches to accept the corresponding "tabs" of the magazine.

An OEM Glock 44 magazine with this magazine extension (and the follower cut down and load-assist tabs removed) and the Taylor Tactical Supply 22-coil spring holds 15 rounds.

Wow. This looks really cool.
 
#61 · (Edited)
Well,
If anyone wants to dabble with their G44 mags on capacity, I'm going to sell my TTS springs and OEM Glock mag extension (that I modified with an insert) for pennies on the dollar. Why not let one of you have some fun experimenting with what we've read on this thread.
I have other irons in the fire (projects) and I want someone else here to try the parts on theirs.
I have two TTS 19 coil springs and one 21 coil. Plus the Glock +2 extension that I made an insert for.
Looking at my invoices, I spent around $45 for everything. I'm just looking for $20 to cover the shipping from TTS and GlockStore for their expensive shipping.
$20 is for everything including shipping.
I'll get it in the FS section soon.
 
#63 · (Edited)
(top of Glock 44 Magazines thread)

ProMag Industries Glock 44 18-Round Magazine

If you're looking for an off-the-shelf Glock G44 15+round magazine, you may want to consider the ProMag Industries G44 18-round magazine. ProMag Industries has a horrendous reputation when it comes to magazines, however, the ProMag magazine has the potential to perform surprisingly well. And they only cost $12.

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Recommendations for Use

Unlike the OEM Glock G44 magazine, you can't simply take a ProMag magazine out of the "box" and use it. The ProMag magazine spring is extremely stout. You'll find the magazine, with its small load-assist tabs, difficult to load and likely unreliable. You must break-in the ProMag magazine spring before using it.

There are two basic approaches to breaking in the spring,
  1. You can insert a small screwdriver above the follower and exercise the spring through its full range of travel hundreds of times.
  2. You can (repeatedly) load the magazine to its full 18-round capacity and allow it to sit for a day or two. [Courtesy of @CBTENGR]
You may want to combine these two techniques.

Make sure you're using the load-assist tabs to assist in loading, rather than depressing the follower too far and allowing rounds to "drop in". There should always be tension on the round being loaded.

Pay careful attention to the orientation of each round. The topmost rounds cant up. The middlemost rounds cant down. And the bottommost rounds again cant up. In the picture below, the ProMag magazines (with 15 rounds) are on the right. Note that one of the topmost rounds in the fourth magazine from the right isn't oriented properly. The rounds should alternate left and right.

Once loaded, some shooters turn the ProMag magazine over and give it a firm "tap" to ensure the rounds are seated properly. As with the OEM Glock G44 magazine, it's a good idea to ensure the topmost round is canted up.

You may want to start out shooting the ProMag magazine loaded with 15 rounds. Some shooters never load more than 15 rounds. Some shooters find the ProMag magazine to be more reliable with 15 rounds as compared to 18 rounds. And other shooters have tremendous success with 18 rounds.

You can experiment with a magazine loader to aid in loading the ProMag magazine. Wrap-around magazine loaders specifically designed for the ProMag magazine work best. The magazine loader rests on the ProMag magazine load-assist tabs. Make sure the magazine loader slides freely up and down the magazine. If the magazine loader binds, you won't maintain tension on the round being loaded.

You must take the time to properly break-in your ProMag magazine. If done properly, a ProMag G44 magazine should be as reliable as an OEM Glock G44 magazine.

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Experimentation

Warning: Don't attempt to pry apart the ProMag Industries G44 18-round magazine load assist tabs!

Unlike the OEM Glock 44 magazine load assist tabs (which can easily be pried apart with a standard screwdriver), the ProMag magazine follower and load assist tabs are a single, integrated part. And it's a B|TCH to get out! In a nutshell, you need to pinch both load assists at the same time in order to get the integrated follower / load assist tabs past the slots and out of the magazine. It's much easier to reinsert the integrated follower / load assist tabs into the magazine.

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(ProMag Industries Glock 44 18-Round Magazine Dissected)

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#65 ·
You're welcome. Your observations are likely reflected in the write-up. I appreciate your contributions to all of the G44-related threads.

The topic of the ProMag G44 magazine comes up at least once a week. I felt the need to "anchor" a write-up we could reference rather than cutting-n-pasting the same recommendations over and over again. If anyone reading this has other observations or recommendations, please let me know and I'll fold them into the write-up.

I have my fingers crossed we'll have a gen2 Nelson Precision Manufacturing 44X slide by mid-July. I'll be more motivated to return to the topic of 15+round G44 magazines including a 3D-printed magazine extension. More to come ...
 
#68 ·
VERY well-written notes/instructions.
Especially liked the notes about using the tabs, and the up/down/up orientation of the rounds in the magazine body (as that really is quite strange).

Looking forward to testing my new mags, perhaps this weekend.
Thanks again for the info.
Thank you. And good luck!

As a side note, I managed to clean up the ProMag G44 magazine posts and related links. You should be able to navigate to and from the first post in the thread again.