[fredj338]

The Division for both IDPA and USPSA is Carry Optics, not Carry Comp. And IDPA is not training, it's a gun game just like USPSA. You should at least read the rules of the games. Like Zero said, don't be that guy. Get a straight drop belt loop OWB Kydex from a competition holster company, BladeTech, CompTac, Redhill. And a competition belt, like Wilderness Tactical, not a Wally World belt. And at least 3 model specific to you gun mag pouches, not fit all.

GSSF is not action pistol. The only purpose of their holster is to transport the gun from stage to stage. Absolutely do not use a Glock sport holster. It is nearly impossible to draw from. And no retention holsters for action pistol, only for PPC (Police Pistol Competition.)

Shooting is 99% the shooter, 1% gun and gear. Most shots will be 3-12 yards so your G19 will be fine for both games. Since dots are target focused, a G34 has no advantage over a G19 in CO Division.

My buddy is a CO MA, shoots a g19 because he carries the same pistol. He doesn't even like the g34 feel.

 

[fredj338]

Right on!

Is your g19 holster open bottom or closed? If open, then maybe the G34 will fit! I think any USPSA holster is legal for IDPA as long as you start out with it covered by some garment.

I would personally use my Safariland if I were going to compete this weekend.

I am really interested in what folks say and look forward to learning what to keep mind when I branch out from GSSF, which has no holster component to it.

As 9x notes, there are general holster guidelines for idpa & any rig for idpa can be used in uspsa, but not vise versa.

 

[GigG]

Ex USPSA A Class, in any Division, don't need holster advice! Gig, try posting your question on Benos.com.

I was USPSA A when I there was Open, Limited & Revolver. And yes I meant Carry Optics not Carry Comp. Typo.

 

[GigG]

As 9x notes, there are general holster guidelines for idpa & any rig for idpa can be used in uspsa, but not vise versa.

Which is exactly why I asked the question in the first place and have yet to get an answer.

 

[9x45]

Gig, and that's IDPA. I especially like Rule 8.5.1.11, whatever that means..... It would be easier to stick with USPSA

8.5 Holsters
8.5.1 The following criteria apply to IDPA legal holsters.
8.5.1.1 Must be suitable for all day concealed carry or duty style holsters and worn on each stage regardless of the
start position.
8.5.1.2 Must be a strong side hip holster worn inside the waistband (IWB) between 12 and 4 for right-handed
shooters, or outside the waist band between 2 and 4 for right-handed shooters. Left-handed shooters use 8
to 12 o’clock (IWB) and 8 and 10 o’clock (OWB) (see diagrams below)
8.5.1.3 2 o’clock and 10 o’clock is determined to be no further forward than the shooter’s hipbone.
8.5.1.4 Must be secured on an IDPA legal belt.
8.5.1.5 Must completely cover the trigger guard and prevent activation of the trigger while holstered.
8.5.1.6 Outside the waist holsters must carry the firearm in a neutral (vertical) or muzzle rear cant.
8.5.1.7 Must hold the firearm with enough tension to allow the wearer to complete normal daily tasks without risk of
losing the firearm.
8.5.1.8 Must be constructed of normal thickness common holster making materials (leather, Kydex, plastic, nylon,
etc.) and remain open after the gun is drawn to allow for one handed holstering without opening the holster
to seat the gun. No collapsible holsters.
8.5.1.9 The shooter’s holster location must remain on the same side of the body throughout the entire course of a match.
8.5.1.10 Retention devices may be permanently removed or permanently disabled, but not temporarily disabled for a match.
8.5.1.11 Holsters may be modified to meet IDPA rules.
8.5.1.12 A dropped and offset (DOH) holster with the butt of the firearm no lower than the top of the belt may be used. Concealment and cant angle rules apply.
8.5.1.13 When viewed from the front, a holster may not tilt out away from the body further than vertical, unless the shooter’s body touches the grip of firearm.
8.5.1.14 Appendix carry is defined as inside the waistband worn on right-handed shooters between 12 and 2 o’clock (10 and 12 o’clock for left-handed).
8.5.2 Non-Permitted Holsters (Non-Inclusive list): 8.5.2.1 Cross-draw carry 8.5.2.2 Shoulder holsters 8.5.2.3 Small of the back carry 8.5.2.4 Pocket carry

 

[fredj338]

Which is exactly why I asked the question in the first place and have yet to get an answer.

I did attach a rule link.

 

[The Viking]

Com tac warrior

 

[R.K. Watkins]

Blade Tech Classic works for both sports in CO Division.

 

[GigG]

8.5.1.1 Must be suitable for all day concealed carry or duty style holsters and worn on each stage regardless of the
start position.

And it is exactly that sort of subjective language that I'm trying to unpack.

 

[9x45]

If you can't figure it out, then cite 8.5.1.11.... (holster may be modified) to meet the rules which no one understands to start with.


As long as it's not an Open Division USPSA rig, no one cares, or will notice. Be sure to say you have never shot a IDPA match before....

My 1995 BladeTech, solid laminate, straight drop, belt loop, bucket holster, closed bottom.

 

[waktasz]

They recently changed to allow dropped and offset holsters in IDPA. I might not use one because it would interfere with the vest but I would definitely want one for USPSA.
Unless you actually shoot exactly 50% IDPA and 50% USPSA I'd get one for each sport, otherwise you are making a compromise. You will adapt just fine to using different rigs for different games.

 

[GigG]

I found the Black Scorpion IDPA Holster on Amazon and bought it. It worked well this weekend at A USPSA match. It is amazing how Kydex has dropped the cost of holsters.

 

[9x45]

If I was starting today, that's what I would get!

 

[frankr2]

@GigG Have you shot more matches with the Black Scorpion IDPA Holster? How is it holding up?

My wife is asking me about what I want for birthday and I am stumped. A solid, future proofed general purpose competition-style holster for the new G34.5 MOS I won in GSSF sounds like it could be fun and useful. I am currently only competing in GSSF and the local bowling pin match though I think I am mostly drawn to USPSA. I would probably use this holster for weekly dry practice under a timer and then pick up a match or two a year due to stage of life / other weekend commitment issues.

I think I would want to just compete in production division. Not really personally interested in carry optics, thought it would be nice to pick something that doesn't preclude adding a optic to to via the MOS plate.

I also have my eyes on the Comptac International and Warrior holsters via Comp_Tac competition holsters are designed for use in competitive pistol sports., which are not that much more than this Amazon holster you found.

 

[Jim Watson]

You done good, Gig. There are many operationally equivalent holsters on the market and you got one of them.

I no doubt look funny at USPSA because I string my holster and mag carriers on my pants belt, as is required by IDPA. So my draw and magazine pluck are the same for both matches except that I wear my first USPSA magazine in front of the position of my first IDPA magazine.

 

[9x45]

About all you can do with a shot timer on dry fire is set a part time

 

[frankr2]

About all you can do with a shot timer on dry fire is set a part time

Makes sense. And confirm sight picture at the end of the presentation prior to the second beep presumably. Then as smoothness increases reduce par time to keep pushing the envelope down into a competitive time. The holster draw games with the Mantis X is of some value as well. I am unfortunately in the stage of life with young kids where it is hard to find the time neccesary for cutting the grass, let alone going off to do something fun.

 

[GigG]

@GigG Have you shot more matches with the Black Scorpion IDPA Holster? How is it holding up?

My wife is asking me about what I want for birthday and I am stumped. A solid, future proofed general purpose competition-style holster for the new G34.5 MOS I won in GSSF sounds like it could be fun and useful. I am currently only competing in GSSF and the local bowling pin match though I think I am mostly drawn to USPSA. I would probably use this holster for weekly dry practice under a timer and then pick up a match or two a year due to stage of life / other weekend commitment issues.

I think I would want to just compete in production division. Not really personally interested in carry optics, thought it would be nice to pick something that doesn't preclude adding a optic to to via the MOS plate.

I also have my eyes on the Comptac International and Warrior holsters via Comp_Tac competition holsters are designed for use in competitive pistol sports., which are not that much more than this Amazon holster you found.

Yes, and have liked it. I've shot 12 or 13 matches with it and just before this weekend added the drop hanger to it and like it even better. The only thing I don't like about it and the reason for the drop hanger add is that even though there are multiple holes in the holster and the belt attachment there is only one way they fit together and it is at the highest setting. The belt hanger allows me to drop it down to a point where the heel of the grip is positioned perfectly and the ability to add a little cant to the gun.

I've decided IDPA is not likely in my future but the holster is still perfect for USPSA Production or CO.