[PaseMkr]

Hey all,

I've been looking for a weighted training magazine for my G19.4. It seems that these are only available to LEO, etc. now and not civilians? Is this true? Seems absolutely silly to me if it is. I could make a weighted dummy magazine out of dummy rounds with no primers or powders, but I cannot put one in my G19 when I have the LaserLyte training barrel installed, because the bullet head hits the back of the training barrel. I also took my SIRT magazine which works, but it is for a G17 and I really want a standard flush fit magazine. Sorry for the rudimentary question, but you guys have been amazing with help, tips and suggestions in the past.

Steve

 

[fredj338]

I believe the company that makes them sets the rule on who they sell to. For the slight cost diff, take an old mag, epoxy some lead shot in the base, paint it blue, training mag.

 

[ScottR65]

Hey all,

I've been looking for a weighted training magazine for my G19.4. It seems that these are only available to LEO, etc. now and not civilians? Is this true? Seems absolutely silly to me if it is. I could make a weighted dummy magazine out of dummy rounds with no primers or powders, but I cannot put one in my G19 when I have the LaserLyte training barrel installed, because the bullet head hits the back of the training barrel. I also took my SIRT magazine which works, but it is for a G17 and I really want a standard flush fit magazine. Sorry for the rudimentary question, but you guys have been amazing with help, tips and suggestions in the past.

Steve

Put 14 of these dummy rounds in a regular mag.

B's Dry Fire Snap Caps - Dummy 9mm Luger Training Rounds (10 Pack) (Blue Brass) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0116829BM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_tXnPCb9N1BPZT

On the 15th dummy round, pull off the bullet and load it in the mag (the case, not the bullet). Problem solved.



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[Rick77]

Lone Wolf Distributors sells one for the SIRT Training Pistol. It fits a 19 and a 17. I bought one for my 19. It's a little sloppy but it stays in place and releases like it should. Weighs the same as a loaded magazine. Price was $21.00 a couple of months ago. Google the company. Works great for dry fire training.

 

[Rick77]

Lone Wolf Distributors sells one for the SIRT Training Pistol. It fits a 19 and a 17. I bought one for my 19. It's a little sloppy but it stays in place and releases like it should. Weighs the same as a loaded magazine. Price was $21.00 a couple of months ago. Google the company. Works great for dry fire training.

 

[KentuckyPatriot]

Try these options...the first is what I use in teaching

https://www.alternateforce.net/ber92fmag.html

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/pro...ing-blueguns-glock-19-magazine-replica-training-aid-blue-fsg19m-20-bt-fsg19m.do

 

[ScottR65]

Try these options...the first is what I use in teaching

https://www.alternateforce.net/ber92fmag.html

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/pro...ing-blueguns-glock-19-magazine-replica-training-aid-blue-fsg19m-20-bt-fsg19m.do

I have several of those as well but couldn’t find them again on Amazon when I replied with my earlier idea. [emoji1303]



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[PaseMkr]

Thanks everyone. Looks like AlternateForce will sell me the dummy mags. Thanks KentucyPatriot!

 

[FireForged]

Don't turn your training into rocket science. Personally, I wouldn't do any hand wringing over such a negligible nuance. The next thing you know.. someone will be wanting a magazine that simulates the ever changing weight of a firearm which has expelled rounds during a fire-fight.

If you are training with something that is several POUNDS lighter than the real thing... that can be an issue but 10-12 16 oz.. don't really matter.

 

[sciolist]

^ It actually makes a huge difference, both dry and live, gun and mags.

 

[PaseMkr]

Don't turn your training into rocket science. Personally, I wouldn't do any hand wringing over such a negligible nuance. The next thing you know.. someone will be wanting a magazine that simulates the ever changing weight of a firearm which has expelled rounds during a fire-fight.

If you are training with something that is several POUNDS lighter than the real thing... that can be an issue but 10-12 16 oz.. don't really matter.

I hear what you are saying and in most cases for many people you are probably correct. For me though, I notice the difference while I am practicing my draw from concealment to first shot that the gun is much lighter. I am probably waaaay to OCD/anal-retentive, but I even can feel the difference when I remove my x300 ultra. My G19 just has a different balance. Now would it make much of a difference in my ability to respond in a real life defensive situation, most probably not, but I just like to keep things as consistent and realistic as I can.

 

[dudel]

Don't turn your training into rocket science. Personally, I wouldn't do any hand wringing over such a negligible nuance. The next thing you know.. someone will be wanting a magazine that simulates the ever changing weight of a firearm which has expelled rounds during a fire-fight.

If you are training with something that is several POUNDS lighter than the real thing... that can be an issue but 10-12 16 oz.. don't really matter.

This. During an adrenaline dump you won't notice a difference of a few ounces.

 

[FireForged]

^ It actually makes a huge difference, both dry and live, gun and mags.

Then stop goofing around in the mirror and save "training" for a proper venue.

 

[fredj338]

I hear what you are saying and in most cases for many people you are probably correct. For me though, I notice the difference while I am practicing my draw from concealment to first shot that the gun is much lighter. I am probably waaaay to OCD/anal-retentive, but I even can feel the difference when I remove my x300 ultra. My G19 just has a different balance. Now would it make much of a difference in my ability to respond in a real life defensive situation, most probably not, but I just like to keep things as consistent and realistic as I can.

Shooters that shoot a lot can feel nuance, those thst shoot 3-4x a year, have no idea, couldnt tell you what the gun really feels like. My presentation with an empty gun feels quite a bit diff than a fully loaded gun. The next mag I get ready to retire, I am turning it into a dry fire mag with some epoxy & lead shot.

 

[sciolist]

Shooters that shoot a lot can feel nuance, those thst shoot 3-4x a year, have no idea, couldnt tell you what the gun really feels like. My presentation with an empty gun feels quite a bit diff than a fully loaded gun. The next mag I get ready to retire, I am turning it into a dry fire mag with some epoxy & lead shot.

The difference between a loaded and unloaded mag is not a nuance. And it's hard to know what to say to a person who can't feel a 16 oz difference in gun handling under any circumstances.

The whole point of practical shooting is grace under pressure. And if anything, that's even more true in defensive circumstances.

If you can't feel the difference between a few ounces of gear, you can't attend to trigger press, you can't feel your gun going to slide lock, and you for damn sure can't align the sights on a target under stress.

It's important to be able to develop manual skills to shoot well. But the ability to preserve those skills under pressure is by far the main thing that differentiates better shooters.

 

[PaseMkr]

It's important to be able to develop manual skills to shoot well. But the ability to preserve those skills under pressure is by far the main thing that differentiates better shooters.

Can't the goal be to achieve both to the best of one's ability?

 

[sciolist]

Can't the goal be to achieve both to the best of one's ability?

Of course. How could it be any other way?

 

[fredj338]

It's important to be able to develop manual skills to shoot well. But the ability to preserve those skills under pressure is by far the main thing that differentiates better shooters.

Yep, 100%. I saw it this weekend at a training class I was a student in. One of the guys only shoots flat range "about 1x a month", been shooting for years, about 10y younger than me. He was by far the least skilled, slowest & most unsafe of the 10 students. Yes practice matters, no matter how much training you have. This shows up under minor stress loading of a 40y run, carrying a 30# dummy & then deliver 10 COM hits on a stationary target as fast as you can so you can run back & keep the relay going.

 

[sciolist]

Yep, 100%. I saw it this weekend at a training class I was a student in. One of the guys only shoots flat range "about 1x a month", been shooting for years, about 10y younger than me. He was by far the least skilled, slowest & most unsafe of the 10 students. Yes practice matters, no matter how much training you have. This shows up under minor stress loading of a 40y run, carrying a 30# dummy & then deliver 10 COM hits on a stationary target as fast as you can so you can run back & keep the relay going.

There's nothing magic about shooting pistols. It's a relatively simple and also relatively difficult task. On forums like this, there is a pervasive defensive narrative that places a high priority on using pistols as weapons.

Obviously most people are never going to use guns that way. So the question that presents itself is why would a person spend 20 hours/week for decades practicing for something that's never going to happen? And the answer is, they don't. So they don't end up learning all that much about shooting.

People who shoot competitively or with some other real-world performance motivation have a stronger incentive to practice, so they have more of a tendency to figure out how to shoot better.

No one is saying that fighting with a gun is the same thing as shooting in a match. But if you can't shoot well in practice or in a match, you're obviously not going to be able to shoot well defensively.

And the ideas that you will somehow rise to the occasion and suddenly learn to shoot in an emergency, or that the quality of your shooting won't matter because it's an emergency, or that it's somehow more 'real' to shoot poorly without any idea what you are doing is just stupid.

 

[fredj338]

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No one is saying that fighting with a gun is the same thing as shooting in a match. But if you can't shoot well in practice or in a match, you're obviously not going to be able to shoot well defensively.

And the ideas that you will somehow rise to the occasion and suddenly learn to shoot in an emergency, or that the quality of your shooting won't matter because it's an emergency, or that it's somehow more 'real' to shoot poorly without any idea what you are doing is just stupid.

This is what I tell the LEO nay sayers about competition. You will often hear the "it's diff when bullets come back at you" or other such cute saying, but if you can not do it on the relatively calm of a range enviro, what makes you think you could possibly be better in the fight? Just not gonna happen, no one rises above their skill level & it's been proven for as many years as such things have been documented.
If you carry a gun, or even just for HD, get some training, then practice until you can run your gun under any condition that may come up. Even if you never achieve a really high skill level, It will free your mind to solve the problem in front of you. IT is why all elite military practice more than the line soldier.