Absolutely they do

Generally speaking, the new guns shoot better though.

 

Not going to argue that. I think the last time I shot the AR was when I put the new sites on it and it’s plenty accurate. But I’m pretty good with the old Marlin out to 200 with buck horns 😂 .

 

Fudd is a mind set not a physical item. All guns are cool all people are not.

 

I can see your point. Just seems like these days if don’t have and use the latest and greatest, people start throwing the word fudd around.

 

The term Fudd, as it relates to firearms, relates to one outdoor writer who--years ago--who basically said he didn't care if AR's etc were banned. It became an internet buzzword adopted by people who want to sound cool and hip. It's misuse has primarily encouraged division among gun enthusiasts.

I like a lot of different guns.

 

The term Fudd, as it relates to firearms, relates to one outdoor write who--years ago--who basically said he didn't care if AR's etc were banned. It became an internet buzzword adopted by people who want to sound cool and hip. It's misuse has primarily encouraged division among gun enthusiasts.

I like a lot of different guns.

Spot on. I dont think the term has done anything to contribute to the community as a whole, and has, in fact, divided enthusiasts when that is indeed that very last thing we need. Name calling and silly assed insults do nothing to empower us as a collective, and actually help the other side to divide us, because it provides them with a label. It would sure be OK if that cool kid crap would come to an end.

 

Yeah I was just referring to older classics. I don’t use “fudd” to describe a gun. Some people maybe…

 

My two “fudd” guns sitting in the corner. Shotgun was used last week to kill a a couple of coyotes. They are working guns.

 

Love the wood on that Maverick!

 

Am, "soul" and a better SD/HD are not related.

 

This reminded me of a story from several years ago.

I was working security at a Waffle House in a neighboring city. About 0100 a group of about 10 people pulled up. Their ringleader was a massive individual, about 6’4” and 350lb. They sat down and immediately they started getting belligerent with the staff.

Manger came over and told me he wanted them out. I said ok and went over to the folks. Told them they needed to leave. A ruckus ensued and the ringleader started telling the group that they needed to kill me.

I proceeded to walk outside and call the local PD. While I’m on the phone outside I can hear the ringleader through the glass still talking the crowd up about killing me and beating the staff.

I hung up the phone with dispatch and walked over to my car. I opened the passenger door and grabbed that shotgun. I thumbed a couple of shells in it to top it off and walked back in the restaurant.

The ringleader made a comment about it but, he never stood back up and he stopped harassing the staff. Local PD showed up and removed them. Local PD never said anything about me having the shotgun 😂.

On the way out I noticed one of the younger officers eyeing me and the shotgun. I just chuckled and said peace through superior firepower.

Good times lol

 

This reminded me of a story from several years ago.

I was working security at a Waffle House in a neighboring city. About 0100 a group of about 10 people pulled up. Their ringleader was a massive individual, about 6’4” and 350lb. They sat down and immediately they started getting belligerent with the staff.

Manger came over and told me he wanted them out. I said ok and went over to the folks. Told them they needed to leave. A ruckus ensued and the ringleader started telling the group that they needed to kill me.

I proceeded to walk outside and call the local PD. While I’m on the phone outside I can hear the ringleader through the glass still talking the crowd up about killing me and beating the staff.

I hung up the phone with dispatch and walked over to my car. I opened the passenger door and grabbed that shotgun. I thumbed a couple of shells in it to top it off and walked back in the restaurant.

The ringleader made a comment about it but, he never stood back up and he stopped harassing the staff. Local PD showed up and removed them. Local PD never said anything about me having the shotgun 😂.

On the way out I noticed one of the younger officers eyeing me and the shotgun. I just chuckled and said peace through superior firepower.

Good times lol

In a way, a kinda similar story, in the previous town I lived in, where a shotgun came in handy. Wife woke me up at 0325 and said someone was opening the garage door. I got up, put on my pants, and pulled the 870 out from under the bed. Opened the door leading to the garage, racked the first round of Federal #00 Flight Control into the chamber, (yes, I know...maybe tactically unsound but I wanted to be heard and not to have to shoot somebody), and swept the garage. The electric garage door was a little less than half open. Meanwhile, the wife was dialing 911. The would-be intruder had skedaddled.

In seven minutes, the police arrived. (I thought it was pretty good time, relative to the area he had to cover.) He came to the door and said "Is everyone safe here?" I said "Yes" and explained the situation. He left, drove around for a while looking for suspects, and found no one. He came back to the house and filled out his report in my den. All the while he kept glancing over at the 870 now leaning in the corner of the den about 8 feet from him. On the way out, he stopped, looked at me, and said "You know, you've got just about the ideal home defense gun." My reply was "Yeah, nothing says "Get Out of My House!" like a shotgun filled with 00 buck." He chuckled out loud.

Maybe I'm a Fudd. (I still like my BHP, also.)

 

Marlin 336 loaded with soft point hunting ammo
Maverick 88 security loaded with 00 buck.

I just feel like the older guns have a little more soul and I’m just more comfortable with them.

Fudd
Not Fudd

Lets think about guns having soul.
Does a Glock I've owned since 1992 (32 years old) have soul? I think not.
If I gave it a metal frame would that give it soul? LOL.
Does my 1911 Ed Brown Special Forces have soul? Nah.

 

I don’t know. I would view a Glock from 92 compared to a Glock from 2024 as having more soul lol. I don’t think isn’t necessarily the tipe of weapon vs the age and what the weapon has been through. Like I said above, my guns have been used for there intended purpose, and it just makes the guns feel more “seasoned”.

I might be overthinking it but, that’s just how I feel on the matter.

 

I agree with you. A pump shotgun with No4 Buck.

And I’m probably considered Fudd by age at this point, not by any firearm I’m using

 

Most of my trigger time these days is with a Browning 725 O/U on a clay range. I jokingly refer to it as shooting with the Fudds…

 

Not a user of the term personally, but in the spirit of the theme, you guys are not going to believe me when I tell you a friend of mine I've known for 47 years to this day, keeps a loaded Pietta 1860 Army BP .44 as his household defense gun. He has fired many cartridge long guns and handguns over the years but has never purchased one.

During our early years we routinely shot many caplock revolvers, single shots and rifles. His father is 89 years old and has told him he will inherit his S&W M10 4" .38 Spl. This will be the first self-contained metallic cartridge arm he has owned when that day arrives.

 

Not a user of the term personally, but in the spirit of the theme, you guys are not going to believe me when I tell you a friend of mine I've known for 47 years to this day, keeps a loaded Pietta 1860 Army BP .44 as his household defense gun. He has fired many cartridge long guns and handguns over the years but has never purchased one.

During our early years we routinely shot many caplock revolvers, single shots and rifles. His father is 89 years old and has told him he will inherit his S&W M10 4" .38 Spl. This will be the first self-contained metallic cartridge arm he has owned when that day arrives.

That's usually a person who is prohibited from owning guns under federal law and doesn't want to tell you. 100% of people I've ever known of to use black powder for self-defense fell into that category. Felons, drug users, people with mental commitments, dishonorable discharges, etc., are not prohibited from possessing an antique firearm, which includes "any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; or . . . any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A)" etc.

 

“Be vewy, vewy quiet. I’m hunting wabbits…”

 

Think the definition, at least in shotgun world.

If the gun has a Picatinny rail, it's "cool and tactical".

Just a front bead....it's a "Fudd gun".

 

My 590 is a Fudd gun then?

 

I borrowed this from a guy on another forum I belong to. Got a kick out of it.

"Fudd as in Elmer... some sort of 'derogatory' term gun fetishists use for people who shoot their shotguns at flying targets and/or for hunting. The kind of people that win the olymics and bring home dinner and don't play combat dress-up?"

That said. The AR is better in just about every way as a defensive rifle, and the glock is better for edc than a 1911, IMO.

But realistically the odds are pretty low of needing your gun for SD, and even lower that any gun you have wouldn't work.

My guns having "soul" has little relevance to me in a defensive situation, if I didn't think an AR was a better long gun solution I wouldn't even own one. But if your more comfortable with the old classics and really don't want to train with the "new" stuff, more power to you

 

II’m probably a Fudd,, until 2011 my only guns were all pretty old. Newest was from 1975. But that was mostly because I didn’t have the money for guns. After the kids were out I started adding guns, mostly handguns to carry,most would be modern Glock like.. my Fudd personality leads me along the practical route..

 

II’m probably a Fudd,, until 2011 my only guns were all pretty old. Newest was from 1975. But that was mostly because I didn’t have the money for guns. After the kids were out I started adding guns, mostly handguns to carry, most would be modern Glock like.. my Fudd personality leads me along the practical route..

I think that in relation to people, Fudd is definitely a state of mind.

Age doesn't necessarily automatically make a particular gun into a Fudd gun. I have several guns that in their day were cutting edge for personal defense and general survival. My 1888 vintage M1873 Winchester fits into that category. Modern day firearms definitely eclipse the old '73 in just about every way you can think of and if we are talking about using one as a bedside gun, there are far better options available for equal or less money.

Heck even firearms like a bone stock AK47 could be considered as a Fudd gun if it isn't festooned with lights, lasers and an optic.

Shotguns are timeless defense weapons although I personally think that using your clay pigeon shotgun as a bedside gun is kinda dumb. Same goes for using a double barrel shotgun. For very little money you can get an inexpensive pump like a Maverik 88 or equivalent.

Do I personally own guns that could be considered Fudd guns? Of course I do, however I see no practical reason to press something like my 75 year old Colt SAA into service as my bedside gun when I have a Glock 19x that is a far better choice in so many ways.

 

Because it's a term used by the current crop of 20-something and 30-something gun owners, most people use "Fudd gun" to mean any kind of quality gun you might have for an actual purpose. Guns with little or no black plastic or camo paint on them.

The 20-something and 30-something shooters are mainly influenced to buy cheap "tactical" guns they've seen in video games. (They play video games) I don't take them too seriously when they give opinions on guns, because most of them just repeat what they read on the internet. Only a small minority, maybe 5-10%, are real shooters or involved in the shooting community in the real world.

I borrowed this from a guy on another forum I belong to. Got a kick out of it.

"Fudd as in Elmer... some sort of 'derogatory' term gun fetishists use for people who shoot their shotguns at flying targets and/or for hunting. The kind of people that win the olymics and bring home dinner and don't play combat dress-up?"

Exactly.

 

My Camp 9 is as tactical as I get.

 

I find that an AR and a Glock lack soul, but they are what I will reach for if things get exciting.

S/s shotgun has soul.
K-38 revolver has soul
M1911 has soul (and effectiveness!)
M1894 Winchester has soul
Winchester High Wall has soul

But the ergonomics and reliability of the AR and the Glock are better.

 

I've never considered the term "Fudd" to relate to any particular firearm. I don't use the term Fudd - but I think it refers to gun people who believe the guns that they like are all that is needed, and they are fine with other guns they don't like being banned.

So whatever gun you want to use for SD is fine. Heck, most tactical guns shoot similar ammo and have the same action (semi, pump, etc), just in a (usually) lighter and shorter gun.

Beautifully made guns are beautifully made. I've love to have some of the gorgeous guns I see in the "fancy" section of gun stores.

Heck, one type of gun that I think is awesome looking is a wooden stocked AR:

 

I've never considered the term "Fudd" to relate to any particular firearm. I don't use the term Fudd - but I think it refers to gun people who believe the guns that they like are all that is needed, and they are fine with other guns they don't like being banned.

Bingo. Using older type guns doesn't make one a Fudd, it is the belief that anything other than those types are not protected by the Second Amendment, and the willingness to get rid of them.

 

These are interesting interpretations. I always thought that a “Fudd” was someone who bought all the cool guns and gear, but have absolutely zero ability in the tactics and marksmanship departments.

 

I believe them types are called, “mall ninjas.” They cruise around in 2WD trucks with body lifts and stickers with fancy slogans like, 3%er, molon labe & the Gadsden Flag.

Edit: I like your quote.

 

Does it include: Walnut & Steel ?

 

Pistol for inside the home, looking to upgrade to a suppressed sub-gone or whatever those alphabet soup guns are called. 870 is for bears (I live in the woods) and the AR-15, for all intensive purposes, is for the very unlikely event things get spicy. My guns are soulless, but some are sentimental.

 

I'm just the opposite. I shoot my AR often, usually 180 rounds a month. I probably shoot my 336 about 10 rounds every couple years.

I'm not sure what "soul" my AR has, but it occupies front row in my cabinet.

It's even getting hard to find bullets to reload 30-30. And the days of $10/20 30-30 ammo are long gone.

 

I'm finding it a function of time and money or too much crap.

I'm a newly California CCW holder. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! I never thought I'd live to see that day.

That said.............. my primary carry is defaulting to my least desirable G43.

I'm old, can can't see the front sight. So I added a Holosun. It's great now. It's of course limited to 6+1, and bought one of those 9 round magazines for it.

Also on my permit is a $3000 compact 1911. WEIGHT alone frequently causes me to ask myself "why am I carrying this thing".

The third firearm on my permit is a Snub Nose 38 revolver.

The G43 is arguably the most capable CCW in terms of capacity, easy of carry, and useability with the Red Dot between all my permit options.

Now................... I could get the latest and greatest SIG 365, and add 1 more round to capacity. What's stopping me from doing that is I've got too much crap already, and I'd still only be getting 1 more round.

I'm in that period in life now I don't need more crap. What I have is good enough.

Oh, I'd love to replace the G43 with a sub compact 1911 in 9mm, but I'd need to add the Red Dot as a serious carry for my vision. Meh..........

 

Fudds are the guys who went with Tim Walz to shoot a gun that he couldn't operate. Fudd guns are soulful pieces of steel that are still as relevant today as they were yesteryear.

Case in point: I just bought a single action Ruger and a Colt 1911 this morning, both designs from a bygone era. They speak to me in ways that my AR just doesn't.

 

Those bullets coming out of those barrels are just as relevant.