[GAU-8]

However, I know it's terminal ballistics are nowhere near it's bigger brother (full length AK-variant), but all hail the power of the Almighty CHOPPA!!! lol! -

Actually that's not true at all. Draco's clock about 2150 FPS out the muzzle where as a full size AK is around 2400. The difference is almost insignificant.
That is the true potential of the Draco. Unlike 223, 7.62X39 loses very little in short barrels. This fact is what sold me on the Draco. It has true rifle power and range but in a size that will drop in your range bag.

To the OP......GET ONE WHILE YOU CAN!!

 

[fuzzy03cls]

If you just want to play with it at the Range and make a lot of noise and a huge fireball.
Get it, just not a very practical weapon for any serious purpose.

Pretty much. I had mine for 2 years. It spent most of the time in my trunk. It was hard to keep on target & a PITA to shoot.
I sold it as I had no real use for it.

 

[dp2002813]

Just FYI... a 7.62x39mm round will penetrate SOME body armor. (type I & II) Type III & IV it will not according to:

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/099859.pdf Page 5

The same thing can be found on Wikipedia as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletproof_vest

Regardless, its gotta hurt.

I looked at them too; look like fun! But decided that I wanted to aim a little more and started looking for a better manufactured one with a folding stock.

 

[WoodenPlank]

Just FYI... a 7.62x39mm round will penetrate SOME body armor. (type I & II) Type III & IV it will not according to:

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/099859.pdf Page 5

The same thing can be found on Wikipedia as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletproof_vest

Regardless, its gotta hurt.

I looked at them too; look like fun! But decided that I wanted to aim a little more and started looking for a better manufactured one with a folding stock.

It won't penetrate Level III(.30-06 rated steel plate), but it will penetrate IIIa (soft armor only).

 

[PlasticGuy]

Just FYI... a 7.62x39mm round will penetrate SOME body armor. (type I & II) Type III & IV it will not according to:

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/099859.pdf Page 5

The same thing can be found on Wikipedia as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletproof_vest

Regardless, its gotta hurt.

I looked at them too; look like fun! But decided that I wanted to aim a little more and started looking for a better manufactured one with a folding stock.

It will penetrate anything short of a rifle rated plate.

 

[jp3975]

I've had the AK, AR and Kel Tec PLR pistols for quite a while.

In the hands of a practiced shooter they are deadly and would make good HD and car guns, except for one thing. The muzzle flash and blast is ear shattering. You would be ruined shooting one of these things in a car or house and even shooting them outside is an experience you don't want to repeat. Don't ask.

So, even though I keep loaded magazines in my guns, I haven't got much use for them except as range guns. Which (for me) is enough reason to have them.

Between the AR, AK and PLR, IMO the PLR is the better choice. It's inexpensive, very accurate (under 2" at 100 yards), very reliable, can use a wide choice of bullets, has a lot of rails to hang junk on it, and has a no BS lifetime warranty.

Would you [or anyone else] mind posting a pic of the plr16 compared to the draco? Cant find anything on google.

 

[1 old 0311]

It's 4" shorter than an underfolder. Unless you have a need for a "pistol", I'd just get an underfolder.

+1 It's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

 

[.45Super-Man]

In terms of level of protection and versatility for the $$$$, I'm not sure how you top this?? If I were extremely limited, one of these would be at the top of my list. As big a fan as I am of the AK, I should have had one of these by now.

 

[G19ftw]

I can't legally conceal a rifle in my state, but I can conceal the Draco, because its a pistol. So throwing it behind the seat of a truck is completely legal, where the underfolder would get me in trouble.

So thats a problem and a solution if you ask me.

 

[jp3975]

+1 It's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

The mini Draco's barrel is 7.75"

Perfect to convert to SBR or keep it as a PDW.

 

[HKLovingIT]

Actually, that just changed a little while ago - a pistol can be converted to a rifle, and back again under ATF Ruling 2011-4. A weapon that started out as a rifle still needs an SBR stamp to turn into a pistol-type configuration, however.
http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2011-4.pdf

Of course, being an NFA goodie complicates this here - once it's registered, removing the stock (turning it back into a pistol) I don't expect would exempt you from transportation or transfer restrictions (i.e. still need a tax stamp or to go through an SOT to sell; must notify ATF if moving it across state lines, etc.). So in effect, it'll always be an SBR once registered, stock or no stock.

If I read that PDF right, it would still need a stamp because converting the Draco to a rifle would make an SBR rifle. If it was converted to a rifle and the barrel was 16 inch or more and overall length of 26 inch or more, you would not need a stamp. Sound right or do I have it mixed up?

 

[SauerChoi]

+1 It's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

it's a solution to the problem of people not being able to keep a loaded rifle in the car like here in WA. I can keep my "pistol" fully loaded in my car if I choose to. :dunno:

 

[Bren]

It's somewhere in the range between novelty and "useless POS." It's basically the size of an AK, but lacks the stock, so it can't match even the crappy standard AK accuracy. because it's so big, however, it also fails on every count for which you'd choose a handgun - not convenient, concealable, accurate or really shootable like a handgun. About the only thing vaguely useful in that size and weight would be a submachinegun, but even that would need full auto and a stock to be worth anything.

The AK and AR pistols are guns that seem to be intentionally designed to serve no useful purpsoe on earth, unless spraying at cans to impress your buddies is a purpose.

it's a solution to the problem of people not being able to keep a loaded rifle in the car like here in WA. I can keep my "pistol" fully loaded in my car if I choose to. :dunno:

That's an interesting justification, based on a strange law I haven't heard of before. However, since this thing can't fullfill the useful role of a rifle (no stock, so power without accuracy) and is to big to be kept on you or used as fast and accurately as a pistol, it still fails. You'd be better off with any normal handgun.

 

[NeverMore1701]

It's somewhere in the range between novelty and "useless POS." It's basically the size of an AK, but lacks the stock, so it can't match even the crappy standard AK accuracy. because it's so big, however, it also fails on every count for which you'd choose a handgun - not convenient, concealable, accurate or really shootable like a handgun. About the only thing vaguely useful in that size and weight would be a submachinegun, but even that would need full auto and a stock to be worth anything.

The AK and AR pistols are guns that seem to be intentionally designed to serve no useful purpsoe on earth, unless spraying at cans to impress your buddies is a purpose.



That's an interesting justification, based on a strange law I haven't heard of before. However, since this thing can't fullfill the useful role of a rifle (no stock, so power without accuracy) and is to big to be kept on you or used as fast and accurately as a pistol, it still fails. You'd be better off with any normal handgun.

I generally agree, with the sole exception of buying one simply to SBR it for a range toy. If you want an SBR AK, it seems like the best deal going :dunno:

 

[jp3975]

It's somewhere in the range between novelty and "useless POS." It's basically the size of an AK, but lacks the stock, so it can't match even the crappy standard AK accuracy. because it's so big, however, it also fails on every count for which you'd choose a handgun - not convenient, concealable, accurate or really shootable like a handgun. About the only thing vaguely useful in that size and weight would be a submachinegun, but even that would need full auto and a stock to be worth anything.

The AK and AR pistols are guns that seem to be intentionally designed to serve no useful purpsoe on earth, unless spraying at cans to impress your buddies is a purpose.



That's an interesting justification, based on a strange law I haven't heard of before. However, since this thing can't fullfill the useful role of a rifle (no stock, so power without accuracy) and is to big to be kept on you or used as fast and accurately as a pistol, it still fails. You'd be better off with any normal handgun.

For indoors you may not be 10ft from someone who breaks in. Its way more than accurate to handle that. And you can always put a laser on it. Though you are going to need hearing protection and a flash suppressor or a suppressor.

Also as I said, Its perfect to convert to an sbr.

 

[jp3975]

Found a comparison of the Draco and Mini Draco. No luck with PLR16 or AR15 comparisons to minidraco/draco.

 

[srwm4]

If I read that PDF right, it would still need a stamp because converting the Draco to a rifle would make an SBR rifle. If it was converted to a rifle and the barrel was 16 inch or more and overall length of 26 inch or more, you would not need a stamp. Sound right or do I have it mixed up?

IANAL, but as I understand it: used to be you could turn any pistol into a rifle, so long as you didn't run afoul of NFA restrictions; but because you could under no circumstance turn a rifle into a pistol (without first registering it as an SBR), it was a one-way street. Now, with something like an AR pistol (where uppers can be changed in a matter of seconds), if it starts out life as a pistol, you're free to switch back and forth to your heart's content, so long as you still observe all NFA rules.

But once a receiver is submitted to the ATF as an NFA item, you can change the configuration all you like, but you can't just take the stock off the Draco and treat it as a pistol anymore - once a receiver is NFA, you'll always have to comply with the rules surrounding NFA transportation and transfer.

With a Draco, unless you want to replace the barrel and gas system to make it into a normal length rifle, this wouldn't apply, since the Draco barrel is <16", so you'd need an SBR stamp to add a stock in the first place.

 

[Kingarthurhk]

I enjoy mine, and it's legal to carry openly, or concealed with a handgun permit, or even loaded in a vehicle here unlike a rifle or shotgun.

"The most powerful handgun in the world" would be an exaggeration, but not only can you shoot thru the bad guy's vest, you can set him on fire.
Thirty or forty times, more if you use a drum.
:alex:

Get one while you can, it's a bargain and it's fun.

What state do you live in? That is a no-no for CCL in Texas. I was the one who asked in the CCL class. I thought it might make a good under the duster rig. It doesn't work in the Lone Star.

 

[NeverMore1701]

What state do you live in? That is a no-no for CCL in Texas. I was the one who asked in the CCL class. I thought it might make a good under the duster rig. It doesn't work in the Lone Star.

Um, according to who? It's a handgun, and a CHL allows for the concealed carry of any legal handgun.

 

[SauerChoi]

That's an interesting justification, based on a strange law I haven't heard of before. However, since this thing can't fullfill the useful role of a rifle (no stock, so power without accuracy) and is to big to be kept on you or used as fast and accurately as a pistol, it still fails. You'd be better off with any normal handgun.

it's illegal to have any long guns loaded in your car in the state of WA, CPL holder or not. I guess it must be a local state law. :dunno: but it's totally legal for me to have my AR/AK pistol in the car.

I don't plan on carrying it on me but I can throw it in my passenger seat and cover it with a jacket. I can still get to it just as fast as, if not faster than I can get to my pistol on my belt.

As far as accuracy goes, I can shoot very tight groups at 50 yards off hand. I think that's plenty enough for me to defend myself if I had to.