not an exact comparison. the best way I can put it is the colt will fit the needs of 98% of the average user, civilian, .mil or LE. 1% will be those who buy the HK because it is a HK. the last 1% will have a use for the capabilities of the 416 (MR556 is the civilian version, 416 is LE and .mil only).

if you are asking for general knowledge there is a ton of information on sites like hkpro, m4carbine, lightfighter, etc but beware when it comes to HK there is fanboy love and hate that injects opinion into discussions.

if you are asking to get knowledge to help you make a purchase decision it is simple, you are in the 98%.

 

^^^^ That sums it up nicely.........personally, save the money for training and ammo

 

If someone has told you that the H&K is much better, I would be asking them why they think that.

And there's lots of other choices out there besides those tow.

 

I doubt you're going to find many folks here with 416 trigger time.

Even if they were available at a reasonable price I would not buy one due to total weight, reciprocating mass, ergos, heat, loud, no PMags for pre-A5, price, customer support...

Would I take one over a crap spec junker? Sure.

Would I take one over a properly constructed DGI gun? NOPE.

 

You will find the best answer in the link that was posted over on the other forum where you posted this topic. There are several people there with a ton of trigger time with the 416 and use it on a daily basis.

 

I have 416 trigger time, and it would not be my first choice for an entry gun.( if my money was buying it)
It is nice and they made improvements on the fore end attachment, I have not seen the upside to the slight weight increase.

Now a 12.5 inch SCAR would be on my short list.

But a sorted out DI gun is just fine my daily driver is a DD MK 18 with a 556. Sd.

 

I've liked the 416s I've shot (Both were the 10.3" uppers - one on an M16 lower, the other a full factory HK), but given the price difference on the civilian side, I'd take the Colt without hesitation. As majette said above, the HK definitely has advantages for a very small subset of people, but for the average AR shooter it's just CDI factor.

 

The 416 has advantages running short barreled, suppressed, and on full auto.

Since I can pretty much guarantee none of those apply to you...... Get the Colt.

Personally I'd take the SCAR-L over the 416 in that particular case, but at the time, the 416 was it. They're a good design, but for most work, not overly necessary.

 

I doubt you're going to find many folks here with 416 trigger time.

Even if they were available at a reasonable price I would not buy one due to total weight, reciprocating mass, ergos, heat, loud, no PMags for pre-A5, price, customer support...

Would I take one over a crap spec junker? Sure.

Would I take one over a properly constructed DGI gun? NOPE.

I don't know why you'd think that, KAC rifles are rarer than 416's.


That said, I have no use for one. Good platform, but not worth the premium for my uses.

 

I doubt you're going to find many folks here with 416 trigger time.

Even if they were available at a reasonable price I would not buy one due to total weight, reciprocating mass, ergos, heat, loud, no PMags for pre-A5, price, customer support...

Would I take one over a crap spec junker? Sure.

Would I take one over a properly constructed DGI gun? NOPE.

I would not take a DGI gun I from anyone I don't care who makes it. I would think that the 416 is a better gun over all from what I have read. But then again I am not a AR type of guy anyway.

 

I would not take a DGI gun I from anyone I don't care who makes it. I would think that the 416 is a better gun over all from what I have read. But then again I am not a AR type of guy anyway.

Obviously.

 

May not be exactly the same, but I have a POF P415, very similar to the 416 from what I know. I like it, I appreciate the technology and ability to run and run, but I'd just as soon have a Colt. If I hadn't gotten an insane deal on it, I'd have gone with a regular old Colt.

 

I would not take a DGI gun I from anyone I don't care who makes it. I would think that the 416 is a better gun over all from what I have read. But then again I am not a AR type of guy anyway.

My g36 k was crap.

 

Even if they were available at a reasonable price I would not buy one due to total weight, reciprocating mass, ergos, heat, loud, no PMags for pre-A5, price, customer support...

I though a piston gun had less heat than DI? :dunno:

 

I though a piston gun had less heat than DI? :dunno:

Handguards get real hot right where I like to hold the 416.

Di guns don't.

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I've never laid hands on a 416 but my experience with M60 Machine guns tells me the hottest part of a piston gun is going to be the piston. When you fire a gun the heat goes somewhere. With a piston the heat/gas goes to the piston. There is no free lunch.

 

I have a Colt M4 and a H&K MR762.

In 5.56 I'd choose the Colt all day, every day. It does 95% of what the H&K does for 1/2 the money. If you're running it as a suppressed SBR then the H&K starts to look better (although my suppressed BCM 12" runs great it gets horrendously filthy and sluggish much quicker then piston uppers, there's also a lot less gas blowback through the forward assist and charging handle on piston guns).

In 7.62/.308 the H&K and KAC are head and shoulders above the rest of the AR10 clones when it comes to reliability and durability.

 

I though a piston gun had less heat than DI? :dunno:

To the BCG, the handguard area still gets HOT.

 

Handguards get real hot right where I like to hold the 416.

Di guns don't.

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To the BCG, the handguard area still gets HOT.

Thanks for the info. :wavey:

 

If you're running it as a suppressed SBR then the H&K starts to look better...

The professed advantage of the 416 lies in running short and quiet... the only thing is, it's noticeably louder than a comparable DGI gun and prints wider pairs or slower splits (your choice).

There's a reason both SOF elements who gave it a shot are placing it in the trash can next to the SCAR-L...

 

The professed advantage of the 416 lies in running short and quiet... the only thing is, it's noticeably louder than a comparable DGI gun and prints wider pairs or slower splits (your choice).

There's a reason both SOF elements who gave it a shot are placing it in the trash can next to the SCAR-L...

I've never heard anyone claim a piston was quieter than a DI.
Run better over a wider range of pressures, yes. Quieter, no.

Any SBR is going to be loud, even when suppressed.
None of them are hearing safe.
Suppressors are to minimize the obnoxious concussion of a SBR in confined areas and to eliminate flash and dust signatures.
My house carbine is a suppressed 12", not because it's hearing safe, but because there's zero muzzle flash and the concussion is significantly less with a suppressor.

As to splits... it's a 5.56 not .50bmg the difference between 4 (.25 splits) and 5 shots (.20 splits) per second on semi-auto is negligible.

I will say the piston gun stands up to sustained suppressed fire far better than a DI gun. The bolt is cleaner, cooler and stays lubricated far longer.
It's easier to consistently regulate the gas on a piston gun as well, especially with a adjustable gas block with bleeder.
The DI guns also blow a lot more hot gas back into your face from around the charging handle.

Like I said, my house gun is a standard 12" suppressed so I'm not a fan boy when it comes to pistons but I do acknowledge that they do have their advantages when it comes to SBR/suppressed.